Re: [ OT] [THE END] PHP+MySQL Programmer/Geek -- Job Titles?

Thank you to all who have replied. I was worried that it would become too off-topic after the first few responses, so I respectfully would like to close the discussion. A lot of really good insight about job titles has come out of this thread, and I want to thank all of you who posted their thoughts. echo "Thank you, ".$row->firstname.". Your commments are appreciated.\n"; require(".sig"); Peter On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Scott Winkle wrote: > I just want to add that I agree... > > I work in a liberal arts university with horrible politics. I have had > for the last 3 years the title 'Temporary Assistant Webmaster', Even > though I was not temporary (Only for the first 90 days period, but thats > a long story not needing discussed here), I was not an assistant to > anyone, and for the last 2 years my only job has been PHP Development > and Web Server Management. My title is soon changing...I think to Portal > Developer, but if I had to offer advice, the titles should be considered > irrelevant. Especially in this environment which HR and > (Upper-)Management know nothing about the difference between me and a > plain old web page maintainer. > I have not recieved any performance raises, this place does not offer > any. You only get a raise if the university decides to give one to > everyone (3-5% a year), or you move up in the food chain (no room for > that for the single permanent PHP Programmer on campus). > > My advice to the original starter of this thread: Pick a title, any > title, that you like. Use that. I do. No one cares. One really inflated > one I have used is 'Internet Applications Engineer' > > Now with that said, lets return to the wonderful world of PHP Databases. > > -Skot > > Doug Thompson wrote: > > >The point is his company/manager are FOA because there is no written job description. It > >is my experience (decades' worth) that the company (read management) don't view the > >position as they should. There are apparently no objective criteria against which to measure > >performance. There is only the usual morass of favoritism, subjective assessments, and politicking > >which are fine for liberal arts majors but deadly in a technical environment when it comes time to > >discuss performance and raises. People truly performing in a technical role don't have time to > >spend away from the work to kiss up. > > > >This thread is really off topic. Can we get back to PHP and databases now? > > > >Doug > > > > > >On Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:40:07 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote: > > > > > > > >>You're kidding, right? So you're basically saying this guy's job > >>isn't relevant. Nice. > >> > >>I can't remember the last job I had that had a formal job description > >>published. Maybe at a monolithic million person company where they > >>can't keep track of who is doing what in their 50,000 person IT shop. > >>Most companies I've seen (outside government organizations) seem to > >>wing it more than that, particularly in IT. > >> > >> > >>--- Doug Thompson <dthompson@brickbarn.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>If the job were relevant, it would have a written description and > >>>title published by the company and you wouldn't be facing this > >>>dilemma. > >>> > >>>My $0.02, > >>> > >>>Doug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > >>>To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>===== > >>Mark Weinstock > >>mark_weinstock@yahoo.com > >>*************************************** > >>You can't demand something as a "right" unless you are willing to fight > >>to death to defend everyone else's right to the same thing. > >>*************************************** > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > >>http://search.yahoo.com > >> > >>-- > >>PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > >>To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > PHP Database Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman@purplecow.com http://www.purplecow.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------