Re: RE: [PHP3] More SOAP or Dampen Thy Evangelical Fires oh Disciples

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Bryan Batchelder wrote: > What is the state of COM on UNIX/Linux? Fortunatly, nonexistant except for Mozilla's implementation. > > I always heard rumours of MS porting COM to Solaris and maybe other > platforms..... There just rumers. Havent ever seen anything real. > > Doesn't Mozilla use COM (or their own version XPCOM).... Mozilla wrote their own implementation of it. XPCOM. > > Anyone out there in the know? > > --b > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Gaul [mailto:ryangaul@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 4:17 PM > To: php3@lists.php.net > Cc: php-dev@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP3] More SOAP or Dampen Thy Evangelical Fires oh Disciples > > > Well, to answer some of the responses I've read. > > Fighting Microsoft - > Well, the best way to fight Microsoft's embrace and extend approach is to > embrace yourself. Whatever you may say, IE does a better job of supporting > new > standards than Netscape (excluding Mozilla, of course). Microsoft is doing > a > lot to embrace XML. If we don't embrace them as well, we lose control of > the > standard, and we are forced to use Microsoft products in our work-a-day > lives. > My reason for wanting to support SOAP is that I can use it to sell a > FreeBSD/Apache/PHP/Postgres solution to an otherwise Microsoft shop. It > allows > me to integrate my product with their future plans, and perhaps even to > influence their view of open source software. The best way to fight > Microsoft > is to beat them at their own game, in my not so humble opinion. > > CORBA - > I don't know CORBA. I couldn't help you there. And it's my understanding > that > there are several abortive efforts underway to move CORBA support into PHP. > At any rate, CORBA has more to fear from Sun than Microsoft. SOAP is not a > competitor to CORBA. SOAP is not a competitor for CORBA. It doesn't dictate > any object model. CORBA and COM can communicate using SOAP. SOAP's > competitors > are: DCOM, IIOP, Java RMI, WDDX, and WIDL. SOAP needs something else to > work, > like CORBA, or JAVA, or Perl, or hopefully PHP. > > Open Source HOOHAA - > Well, supporting an open protocal that is really just XML over HTTP isn't > exactly bowing to Microsoft. Anyways, I never suggested moving this into > the > heart of PHP. I was aiming more at a collection of PHP Classes with which to > implement SOAP messages. Though, now that I think of it, the former may be > the > better approach. > > At any rate, I am also an open source bigot. I only want to support SOAP > because it seems: > > a) quite useful for my specific needs > b) to have industry momentum > c) frees me from heavyweight programming with protocols like JAVA RMI, CORBA > and > DCOM (Shudder). > d) lets me do something simply and quickly. > e) it's kind of a good idea. > > Security - > Security is always an exercise left to the reader. Don't do stupid things > and > bad things won't happen to you. Since SOAP rides on HTTP, it is no more or > less secure than that protocol. It's what you allow it to do that makes it > dangerous. A SOAP request doesn't do anything unless you make it. Don't > make > it do stupid things. Simple. > > > Ryan Gaul > > > > -- > Homer: Aw, Marge, kids, I miss my club. > > Marge: Oh, Homey. You know, you are a member of a very exclusive > club. > > Homer: The Black Panthers? > > Homer the Great > > -- > PHP 3 Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > To unsubscribe, send an empty message to php3-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: php3-digest-subscribe@lists.php.net > To search the mailing list archive, go to: > http://www.php.net/mailsearch.php3 > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net >