Re: php.org and www.motherboards.com

Have a look at: http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp-policy-24oct99.htm Questions that should be answered by reading paragraph 4.a: Is PHP a registered trademark ? I don´t know, but for sure many people here does. Is PHP org being used in bad faith (paragraph 4.c) ? I think it is, as the only purpose is redirecting to a non-php related business. The problem would be finding out, if this people has a trademark that can be shortened to PHP. ( Pray High People or Precious Healing Puppies) For this, paragraph 4.f, secion iv applies, and probably 4.f section ii. Getting a proof for 4.f section i is really difficult. Does these guys have any legitimate interest or right in PHP ? None that I can apparently see. Visit the full icann website for more references regarding Domain name dispute resolution BTW, Linus Torvalds had to go to court to reclaim the "linux" domain. I recall he had help from RedHat and Transmeta and others ( Linus et al. like in law books). Regards Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> To: <php-dev@lists.php.net> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: [PHP-DEV] php.org and www.motherboards.com > Yesterday, to my surprise, I found out that www.php.org is alive, and is > being forwarded to www.motherboards.com. Beforehand, the domain was owned > by Premier Health Partners, but was never used. www.motherboards.com is > using PHP extensively, but other than that, I couldn't figure out any > relationship between php.org and this site. > > In the last 24 hours, I've been in contact with Greg Ricks, the > administrative and technical contact for this domain. I was trying to > exploit the possibility of receiving the php.org to our hands. > > The bottom line is this: > > He's willing to "redirect all of the www.php.org traffic to us, in exchange > for banners on the PHP network". I discussed this with him, and told him > we could probably live with a predefined period of a banner ad at the > bottom of the PHP network, a-la the 'Hosted By' banners that we currently > have. I told him, though, that it'd be crucial to receive the actual > domain to our control, since if php.org becomes known as the home of PHP > (*), we can't be held hostage by someone who may make www.php.org point > someplace else at will. > > I tried to convince him to hand over the domain, in exchange for these > banners (gave him some www.php.net stats, which are quite impressive) and > even some sum of money, but he declined. He's completely unwilling to > sell/give the domain. > > Does anybody know if we have any options to go about this? Legal > perhaps? We can obviously send an army of furious people down his mailbox, > but I'm not sure if it'll be of any use (it might). Bad publicity can suck > pretty much, especially when he's being extremely ungrateful, considering > his entire site is PHP based. Perhaps we can use clause 3 of the license > here? Any lawyers on board? :) > > Comments welcome, > > Zeev > > (*) This will happen very quickly IMHO, I'm pretty sure anybody who looks > for PHP and doesn't *know* where it is, would look for it at php.org. By > the way, he claims that he plans to do something with that domain in the > future, and that it's only temporarily pointing at > www.motherboards.com. I'm not sure if he's right or not, but one thing is > for sure - he's definitely gettings tons of hits from people who are > looking for PHP (the fact 'PHP' appears as the default search string in > case you access motherboards.com through www.php.org is also quite > interesting). > > -- > Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> > CTO, Zend Technologies Ltd. http://www.zend.com/ > > > -- > PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > For additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net >