RE: [PHP-DEV] About ext/sockets/

Just thought I'd pipe up on this topic, cause its very applicable. I'm a 4th year Honours CompSci student. I've written some client server stuff in C (hence a little sockets experience), and I have been using PHP for a year now. My *only* complaint of PHP is that all the really fun stuff (memory sharing, sockets, couple of others) doesn't work for Windows. I've coded sockets for *nix in C before, but I am rusty. It took me 30 minutes to get familiar and start coding with the new API. The changes are are very straightforward, and make the socket extension work more like the rest of PHP. Returning "0" for success and negative numbers just isn't how PHP does things. http://introverted.com/php-sockets.html Considering a very low % of PHP programmers have extensive C socket experience, I wouldn't worry too much about making it inconvenient. You guys are just a little biased (IMHO), because you are all talented, experienced, C programmers. Anyway.. basically just wanted to say that I have used the new API, it works well, and I was very happy to see sockets making it to windows. -Brian Tanner -----Original Message----- From: Sascha Schumann [mailto:sascha@schumann.cx] Sent: June 24, 2001 2:19 PM To: jeroen@php.net Cc: php-dev@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About ext/sockets/ Jeroen, > For lower-scale and home-use you can argue it is easier > than *nix. So when possible, you should try to support windows. [..] > > [looked like C, was easier for ppl with C-background] > > I don't think you should target php at C-ppl. PHP has been since its inception strongly influenced by C. And as a tool originally conceived on Unix, it should maintain its roots and continue to provide people familiar with Unix APIs a convenient way for scripting. Thus, improved Windows support should not come at the expense of Unix support without a perfect reason. I'm missing that reason here. I haven't looked deeply at what API changes have been introduced lately, but I'd suggest to use the standard BSD sockets return value semantics (-1 for failure, >= 0 for success). Those semantics also prevail in the Winsock implementation, so they should be quite natural. - Sascha Experience IRCG http://schumann.cx/ http://schumann.cx/ircg -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-dev-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For additional commands, e-mail: php-dev-help@lists.php.net To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net