Re: About manuelphp.com - was Re: Hy

** translation of JMC mail for Gabriel ** En tout cas sur /www.manuelphp.com/, je ne vois pas de page comme: http://www.php.net/manual/en/index.php Tu ne peux pas cacher/détruire l'information, et n'a pas le droit de modifier la première page qui contient les attributions. Lis à nouveau la licence et regarde quelles sont les limitations pour les travaux dérivés (NDT: de l'oeuvre originale). De plus, la licence n'est plus GPL mais OPL, voir :

    http://www.php.net/manual/en/copyright.php

et

    http://www.opencontent.org/openpub/

La changement principal que je vois sur ton site, est que tu ne demandes plus d'argent en relation avec le manuel (ce qui n'était vraiment pas à faire). Personellement, je pense que c'était l'un des plus gros reproches qu'on pouvait faire à ton site. Tu peux disposer du manuel sur ton site, si et seulement si tu suis les règles établies dans la licence. De cette façon, personne n'aura plus rien à te reprocher. Je m'en remet à l'équipe française de traduction et l'équipe de Damien pour plus de commentaires. ** end of translation ** Jesus M. Castagnetto wrote:

--- "Jesus M. Castagnetto" <jmcastagnetto@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- Gab <gabrielb@manuelphp.com> wrote:

I write you because you say this message in a

forum

of php.net :

And? Did you fix the manual attributions that according to the copyright and license should be there? If not, what is the purpose of your one-line email?

BTW, in http://www.manuelphp.com/, I do not see a page like: http://www.php.net/manual/en/index.php You cannot hide/bury the information, and cannot modify the first page that has the attributions. Look again at the license and see what are the limitations for derived works. Also, the license is no longer GPL but OPL, see:

    http://www.php.net/manual/en/copyright.php

and

    http://www.opencontent.org/openpub/

Main change that I see in your site, is that you are not longer asking for money in relation to the manual (which was a really bad thing to do). AFAICT, that was also a sore point with the criticisms to your site. You can put the manual on your site, as long as you follow the rules established in the license. That way nobody will criticize you. I defer to the french translation and Damien team for more comments.

Le vendredi, 8 ao> Gabor Hojtsy a > :

Is this site legal? manuelphp.com looks

pretty

sketchy. I don't know French, but it seems

to

be a French copy of the manual, and on the

front

page is a "will work for money" form.

Let's get doc-fr into the discussion too :) It does not seem to be legal, it has no athor

and

editor information

as far as I have seen. But it is also a very

old

copy, from february.

Yes, I know we have no new manuals built for a

long time, but still

this is very old... But it seems to be a

repost

of> the special version

of Damien...

Yes to all of that. It's an old version, it has been altered to fit

this

web site design, and some copyright info are missing. In the same time, they are trying to

sell

services from that (like, we'll look a function for you for 10 bucks...). It is pretty often that I see years olds documentation, with people explaining they are the authors of it. Usually, those attempts don't last, because PHP.net is well known for having a fresh version of the docs.

secondly,

those guys do not update the manual, and the attempts usually stays behind.... no

use

getting back there. This is not the only site. I think I may drop a

note

to the webmaster, but it will most probably generate sarcastic remarks, or worse. Those sites are parasits for sure, but I believe they never get impact. Given the level of traffic they generate (google says Nothing links to manuelphp.com, except ONE site), and the difficulty to have

them

removed, I believe the best solution is to let it die. Dams. -- PHP Documentation Mailing List

(http://www.php.net/)

To unsubscribe, visit:

http://www.php.net/unsub.php ===== --- Jesus M. Castagnetto jmcastagnetto@php.net So, I am the webmaster of manuelphp.com and I

answer

to your question. Excuse for my bad english but I

am

french. Before do this site, I asked to Damien

Seguy

if I can put a copy of the manual of php in an

other

site and if this was legal. Damien saguy answered

to

me that I can copy the manual and pout it in

another

site if I want because it was an GNU Public

Licence.

The only condition was that I put his name and the names of the creators. You can find the name of he traductor here : http://www.manuelphp.com/copyright.php#copyright

and

the names of the redactors are here : http://www.manuelphp.com/authors.php#authors So, my site is legal. Excuse me again for my very bad english

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