Re: livedocs access

[group@: this is the end of thread] [phpdoc@: please read and digest] This is turning into a pissing contest; I certainly don't have time for that. Derick restricted the karma because more than one person had made changes without discussing them, which then had to be reverted. This is not a dig at you personally, Moshe. Don't think I enjoy this; Ego and the trouble it causes is massive pain in the ass--it's already wasted too much of our time today; you could have been writing code instead of complaining, and I could have been doing likewise instead of trying to put you at ease. The Karma will stick until we see a couple of patches coming in and being discussed. I'm now officially around on phpdoc@ and will look at the patches. Now, quit complaining and get coding ;-) --Wez. moshe wrote: > Wez wrote: > > > On Wed, 5 May 2004, moshe doron wrote: > > > > i need access for livedocs for rtl support. > > > > right now i did the initial work and publish it on the doc group, > > > > but rtl still require tunings. limiting my access (i'm not taking > > > > this personaly even if i need ;)) will kill any future > > progress in > > > > this area just because i'm the only one that work on rtl > > and i'm too > > > > busy (just like you all) begging after livedoc team to commit my > > > > patchs. > > > > I think you're over-exaggerating; there are enough people > > with karma to commit any good patches that are presented. > > my experience show that you have to ask and ask again for someone that > will do the job for you. Anyway I don't said it became impossible, just > said it make the work much less attractive. And much more time > consuming. > > > > Limiting access was needed because people were committing to it > > > without discussing at all. Unless that's done adequately we're not > > > adding any more people to livedoc's accesslist. > > > > I've seen a few "none-core" livedocs people making commits > > and then being asked to revert them recently; it does get > > annoying because it is totally unnecessary--it can be avoided > > by talking about it first. CVS is a useful tool, but only if > > you don't clog it up with noise from reverts and whitespace commits. > > > > Here are a couple of good reasons why you should discuss > > before you commit, that apply in general to OpenSource: > > > > 1: Things work in a particular way for a reason that might > > not be clear > > to you, and you might accidentally break something. > > > > 2: Things might be planned to go in a particular direction > > and you might > > not be aware of it. > > > > 3: Discussing gives others a chance to review your code and help spot > > any silly mistakes; QA is good. > > > > OpenSource only works if people are working (more or less) > > towards the same purpose. If people are not operating > > (roughly) within these guidelines, we will end up with a mess. > > > > So, although I feel that karma restriction might be a little > > over the top, I don't really mind it right now--it will force > > you to become good OpenSource citizens. > > > > Once we see a steady stream of good patches coming in, we > > will grant karma, but until then we will baby-sit the code. > > > > 0. I don't agrue about all above. and already apologize on the group. > I respect all the efforts you all making for the php project and > understanding livedocs restriction. My below words are intending to > convince you giving me access, not to flaming you. > > 1. I'm holding an access to the phpdoc repository for a while and afair > never run into those conflicts. > > 2. while I have a lot of plans and improvment ideas I keep not to start > massing when I suspect if my time 'll not allow me completing the task. > > 3. I have a reason to believe that some of you may enjoy smoothly using > livedoc on cygwin (my patch): > I did this patch without knowing that I have write access to livedocs, I > posted it to the group but no one response. I waited some days and email > some of you but still no response .After some days I see by accident > that I have livedocs access and committed the patch. > > I asking again from you to think again about your decision and give me > livedoc access, anyway I will respect your decision.