Re: Stop neurotic posting

hardly. I've answered questions on this list that I thought the answer could be easily found on google or php.net. Even more so, there are questions on this list that are CLEARLY "this is what I need, can you give me code." That is silly. What people should be asking is, "I can't find the answer to this question, can you point me in the right direction." That doesn't happen, however. Are you a developer, or not? Learn, figure it out, ask for guidance, but don't ask for someone to answer question like "give me code" or "i have this idea, will it work, even though i didn't bother to even test or research it." I'm sorry, but I have no pity for the lazy. There is a difference between someone who is new looking for direction to the answer and someone who relies on this list to "simply provide it" without them doing any work themselves. So, go ahead and call me an elitist. That's fine. I'll just continue to Read The Fucking Manual. daniel@electroteque.org wrote:

what a silly elitist view you have

perhaps there should be two lists (novice and advanced), and the advanced listed shouldn't answer questions if it's considered trivial enough for the novice list to answer. Curt Zirzow wrote:

* Thus wrote andu (php@archeopterix.com):

This is a very busy list, over 100 message in a quiet day and most people are helpful and decent, don't mind reading and learning. Unfortunately there are some who mostly post stuff like 'read the manual' and other shit like that. Stuffing e-mailboxes with such garbage day after day doesn't do anybody any good even if the manual is not being read as much as it should

Yes it is a busy list, I have 1000+ messages for 7 days worth. I'm not sure the noisyness of the list is entirely on the ones that are helping. There does seem to be a problem of people posting questions that are plain as day in the manual, or have been repeatedly answered here on the list (thus the joke, has it been 4 days already, being so funny :) if more people would read the manual or know how to find commonly asked and solved quetions this list would probaly drop in 20% (very rough estimate) of posts. Getting that information to the people who arn't reading the manual is a difficult task, cause if they arn't reading the manual, why would they even bother with reading the information on how to find the answer. Now noisyness from the 'helpers'... I have noticed at times that a question is answered the same way like 10 times by 10 different people; this I consider more noisy than a RTFM post.

be. Is it too difficult to not answer the post at all if you disagree with the content?

Now, I kinda wondered at first if I should not respond to this cause it's rather in a disagreement tone :) I think this shouldn't be considered a bad thing to do. If you find something you disagree with and have (legit) arguments, I would insist that the person reply to it. Of course this only helps if it was in a constructive manor, which I hope this reply was done. Cheers, Curt

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