Re: CMS, Seperation of concerns - the Cocoon style

You maybe want to have a look at Popoon - Cocoon for PHP ... Documentation is sparse, but see: http://www.bitflux.ch/developer/cms/popoon.html It's for PHP 5 only in the meantime. If you have any questions, just ask chregu On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:37:39 +0200, Thomas Hochstetter <fisherofmen@gmx.net> wrote: > Hi there, > > I was thinking about this a lot today and was wondering if there are any > people here on this list that have experimented with this: > > I hope you know what Cocoon does. If I can just sum up what I am concerned > about: > > * Separation of concerns (i.e. Design, Content and Logic are > COMPLETELY separate entities) > * Pipelining xml to create out of one content file many other, > semantically different files (like xhtml, pdf, wml .) > * To use such a system as a generic template system, say for > Conferences > > What is was now wondering about is, what would be the best practice here. I > have read a little up on the use of PHP in combination with Cocoon 2, and it > looks like that there are a few ways of doing this. > > Question: the reason why I went the PHP and not the XSP way was because of > the huge complexity and slowness of Cocoon (jsp, xsp, servlets) compared to > PHP. So now the combination of the two still does not sound feasible, or > does it not matter much? The fact still remains that xml transformations > nibble CPU time. Then there is also Java involved. :-/ > > A second option would be to write my own PHP 5 driven XML > transformers/template engine (I would not dare to say that I could do so!). > I know that PHP 5 has got a hugely improved XML and DOM interface. And one > could possibly combine this with PEAR classes and Smarty (or something > similar). > > Then there are things like . err, forgot the name, but there is an open > source project out there that emulates what Cocoon does (separation of > concerns and pipelining), by using only PHP. > > I am quite keen on getting some sort of backbone going where I can create, > manipulate pdf's and even stuff like Word files and rtfs. I am still > mesmerized by the whole XML idea. Some people talk about it having failed > the web . hmmm, not sure of that. Maybe it's just not been tried enough? > > So, any inputs on that? I would not mind going the java route, just prefer > rapid development over: asant - asant deploy - asant undeploy - asant clean > .. And so on . > > Thanks, > > Thomas > > -- christian stocker | Bitflux GmbH | schoeneggstrasse 5 | ch-8004 zurich phone +41 1 240 56 70 | mobile +41 76 561 88 60 | fax +41 1 240 56 71 http://www.bitflux.ch | chregu@bitflux.ch | gnupg-keyid 0x5CE1DECB