Re: Semi-OT: Anti-password trading/sharing solutions

Come here to get help, not abuse for what its worth: sql dbase with fields username pass ip time if duplicate username/passowrd then check that IPs match and dont do anything if IPs <> match then kick both users off / disable username/password go figure the code out yourself here is the "idea" which is the most you have got out of anyone "Dan" <info@hostinthebox.net> wrote in message news:4223BAB2.1050906@hostinthebox.net... > Richard Lynch wrote: >> Dan Trainor wrote: >> >> I'm not quite sure why you chose the PHP community as a recipient -- >> There >> are quite a few Apache modules out there. >> >> And Modules such as mod_auth_mysql and mod_auth_ldap (?) and, really, any >> old mod_auth_XYZ module would be a closer "match" for what you want, I >> think. >> >> I know absolutely nothing about how ProxyPass, iProtect, and PureMember >> work, however, so perhaps there is something about them that just screams >> "use PHP to do this" [I doubt it though] >> >> It seems to me, however, that you're still a bit off-target on >> PHP-General, as your target audience is not those who use PHP, but those >> who wrote it and maintain it, particularly the Apache Module part of it. >> >> I believe, in fact, that the Apache Module part of it boils down to the >> code Rasmus Lerdorf wrote ages and ages ago, and that mostly Rasmus (I >> think) has maintained since then. >> >> Perhaps with Apache 2, somebody else stepped up to write/maintain that >> code, and I'm under-informed. >> >> Or maybe Rasmus hasn't touched that code in ages, and somebody else is >> doing it now. Apologies to those individuals who I've slighted by not >> naming them at this time. >> >> At any rate, you're trying to get in contact with a handful of people by >> sending email to thousands. Bad Idea #1. >> >> NOTE: Contacting Rasmus directly and offering him $$$ to do this would >> maybe not be a Bad Idea. Asking him to do it for free would be really >> stupid. >> >> Next, let's look at your proposal: >> >> You want something that Member Sites need, to avoid the theft/sharing of >> username/passwords. >> >> So, in particular, only for-pay Member Sites need this, mostly, as >> there's >> not much point in stealing/sharing a username/password if you can just >> get >> one for free. >> >> So, basically, it's a for-profit motivator that drives this request. >> >> Yet nowhere do I see an offer of recompense for the developers who write >> this software for you. Bad Idea #2. >> >> I highly recommend you figure out what it would be worth to you and some >> of your colleagues/friends to have an OpenSource solution to rival the >> current proprietary technologies. >> >> Take up a collection or form a very loose consortium with some of your >> colleagues to fund the project. >> >> Then write up a specification for what you want done, and make an offer >> to >> PAY somebody and fund the resources needed to get the project from its >> current state (gleam in your eye) to a usable state. >> >> You could and probably should still make it OpenSource -- Perhaps with >> "Funded by: " attributions on all source code and materials to plug your >> consortium and its members -- and then when it's at the stage of >> usefulness that you need, you will probably find that some people are >> willing to maintain it for little or no money at all. >> >> Right now, though, you've got a lot of people seeing: >> >> "I want you to work for me for free so I can save thousands of dollars >> every month" >> >> That ain't gonna happen, dude. >> >> People wrote PHP and Apache and other OpenSource software because THEY >> needed it for THEIR own use, and were willing to give it to you for FREE >> because they knew that giving away 10,000 free copies would get them one >> (1) more Developer to help build/improve the software. >> >> They did *NOT* do it because they wanted you to be able to run your >> company on free software. >> >> Which is not to say that they *MIND* that you can do that -- Only that >> they're not going to just up and code something just because *YOU* happen >> to need it to run your company more efficiently. >> >> You've got zero incentive for the Developer here -- They don't need the >> Module you want, and you're not paying them. [shrug] >> > > > Go ahead and look at my first email. For some reason you didn't get the > idea that I was looking for solutions. Ideas. I wasn't looking for > anything solid. > > The reason why I wrote to the PHP community was to get some ideas. Aside > from the two people who have sent me hatemail today, the PHP comunity is > very intelligent, very clever, and might have worked on something like > this in the past. That's the information that I was after. > > Rasmus? Waht's he got to do with anything? Sure, I value and credit the > work he's put into PHP, but I really think that using his name in this > context has no point. > > Who asked anyone to write any software for me? Again, let's focus on the > primary purpose of this email - to gather information so that I can do > some further investigation. > > You know, you're right. It's stupid for me to think that Open Source > software is used in for-profit situations. PHP, Apache, MySQL, Linux in > general - it's really stupid to think that they might actually help > someone make money, isn't it. This is what you are saying, as per "Stupid > Idea #2". > > I'm not going to get into an argue with you over the moral values of Open > Source software. I understand them fully. Gratitude and in some cases > money is given to people left and right for their technical abilities by > myself and others. I will always regret not being ABLE to contribute > more. > > But again, who said anything about actually using a product? Again - try > to understand the real idea of this email. I'm not being selfish, I'm not > being an ingrate, I am simply using tools that are freely available to me > to create something successful. If this involves me not contributing back > to these people until I start actually making money, then that's how it's > going to be. It's an unfortunate side-effect to not having money to just > blow it out my ass. > > Thanks for your time > -dant