Re: Re: no offense to Rasmus... are you kidding me

On 19 Apr 2006, at 15:42, Matt Todd wrote:

there will be (emphasis on the eventuality, not on the present actuality) a time that PHP will become the old stuff because it did not evolve with the philosophies.

Philosophies are just that.. a philosophy. They are not standards. They are also two-a-penny. If PHP were to jump onboard and natively and dramatically support all philosophies that came along, we'd have one hell of a mess on our hands. Over time the good philosophies remain, and the weak ones die away. The really good ones get turned into standards that are then safe to adopt in a far broader sense.

Agile Development (and the broader term Web 2.0) is, right now, the bleeding edge of development, and I and many others see it as the future of development philosophies.

I've yet to see anything Web 2.0 related that PHP cannot do now, today. Agile Development is a different kettle of fish, and a highly debatable one as to its merits. No-one here doubts the merits of Web 2.0 (if there is any such thing), we all know that if such methodologies wish to be used, they can be - right now. Which is why it's really not a 'big issue' to most people here.

I'm not saying that Rasmus can't see, but that he will easily choose to stay with how he sees the forest – understandable as I choose to

Rasmus !== PHP A strong influence? Yes. The original architect? Yes. But he himself isn't PHP, he doesn't drive every single element of its development and direction (he isn't that selfish!), so to single him out on a personal level as being in control of where PHP does (or doesn't) go is a bit nuts, imho.

Honestly, I'd love to see basic variables be objects, as models of real world data with properties for the data such as a $number->length or $word->as_array() giving you letters.

Sadly not everything maps to 'real world' data. How do you represent something that is intangible in the real world? Your 'basic variables as objects' idea is curious, I would need to see more (useful) examples before passing comment. Cheers, Rich -- http://www.corephp.co.uk Zend Certified Engineer PHP Development Services