Re: Tidy HTML source?

At 11/30/2006 01:52 AM, Satyam wrote:

And, stepping back, you're perpetuating the embedding of markup with logic so that it will still take a PHP programmer to modify the markup of one of your pages. Do you not see the advantage in separating the two layers?

Yes, I do, and I would recommend using templates or similar tools to provide for separation of code and markup, but sometimes there are reasons not to do so, for example, web services.

Please explain why you think web services promote mixing markup with logic.

I didn't say it promotes but it does not require. In web services there is usually no presentation layer, there is no end user to see anything at all, then there is no need for a graphics designer separate from the application programmer. The application consuming that service might have to display the data, but the service does not.

To reach clarity on this point, let's leave presentation out of it. I was referring to the separation of presentation from markup merely to suggest an analagous separation that many of us have accepted as being helpful to design, development, and maintenance. What I'm really curious about in this discussion is the separation of markup from logic. With respect to separating code and markup, you said "sometimes there are reasons not to do so, for example, web services." What are some of those reasons? Cheers, Paul