Re: Re: London PHP salaries

On 6/14/07, Chris <christian@chftp.com> wrote:

Nope, that is Euros. But imagine that i pay 250 for my car each month, 330 for rent, then I have a girlfriend who lives an hour away... gosh, that little bit of money is going down like the titanic *g* Been thinking of selling some scripts of mine on the internet tho to make some more... let's see what my boss has to think about that *gg* Cheerio mate Chris ""Daniel Brown"" <parasane@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ab5568160706141113v2fddb7edv336ee36e9ff2451e@mail.gmail.com... On 6/14/07, Chris <christian@chftp.com> wrote: Daniel My net (after taxes) are about 22k. So you better think twice before moving to germany ;o) Chris ""Daniel Brown"" <parasane@gmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:ab5568160706141017n412ef9edp8712b3acd65ccbbe@mail.gmail.com... On 6/14/07, Colin Guthrie <gmane@colin.guthr.ie> wrote:

Chris wrote:

Hi Javier, well, in germany (at least what I have seen so far)... the min offer was around 23k. I get about that money myself, and I live really cheap, with a cheap car (cheapest you can get), and a girlfriend who doesn't need or want much. So if you have a family, in a town like London: go for at least twice that. AT LEAST :o) go for 30k, and if they don't wnan give you that, you better stop thinking about that job.

Also make sure you don't get confused with currencies and remember we still use GBP in UK, not EUR! Consider that London Underground general workers can be on £22k and I'd suggest as a lead PHP developer in Zone 1 you'd be looking for at least £30k (GBP NOT EUR!) but probably more considering relocation costs and family considerations etc. Col. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

    Shit, *I* need to move to London, Spain, or Germany.  As the

senior PHP/Unix geek in my company (not "a" senior, "the" senior), I only make a salary of $31,200 with barely any benefits. That comes out to 23,443.39 EUR, or 15,844.62 GBP at present (courtesy of XE.com).

    The area I live in doesn't offer much in the way of technical

jobs, so any of you considering moving to America, keep in mind the difference in economic climates and microclimates, as well as the salary-to-cost-of-living ratio (which is shrinking rather quickly). -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

    Yeah, but that's not in US Dollars either, is it?

-- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Okay, some financial disclosure on my part --- a kind of "open source financial report," if you will. All figures are in US Dollars. I gross ~$2,400 per month. After taxes, I lose $291.72 with each check. After insurance, my total net check is about $877.97. My truck payment is $471.60 per month. Car insurance is about $200/mo. Rent for my house is $500 per month, plus utilities.... so about $900/mo. With gas being roughly $3 per gallon, it costs me about $70/wk ($280/mo..) Those bills don't include my servers, groceries, cell phone, and other daily expenses, let alone "spending money" or savings (virtually nil right now). So, with bills alone, it costs me a minimum of $2,700. That leaves me with about $900 extra.... which then goes to repaying loans and debts, totally about $450 total. So after spending some money at the bars or to do stuff to keep myself sane, I usually have very little, if any, left over at the end of the month. And with working between 60 and 70 hours per week, average minimum, it's a little disheartening, to say the least. With regard to the post about skills, I'd consider my skills to be well above average, at least, but even at that, shouldn't a PHP programmer at a full-time job be worth more than $15 per hour, average, even at a basic level? Sadly, that's about all I'm pulling in at present. With my own company, I averaged $25 per hour, which was rather comfortable, but then I also had to run the complete operations (billing, collections, et cetera), and would suffer for clients bailing on me or not paying in full, on time (which, as I'm sure most of you know, happens with a semi-regular frequency). Again, though, like I said --- I really do have faith that this company is going to really achieve some fantastic results in our field, and I think that all of us who are really putting in the time and hard work (the president/founder of the company works every day, just like the rest of us, so there's no unfair balance) are going to reap the benefits fairly soon. As long as I can keep things together in the meantime. Nonetheless, it doesn't mean I'm not contemplating the offers as they come in. My (computer) forensic background has gotten me some rather tantalizing offers as well, I just haven't snapped any up. So again, if this doesn't work out, I certainly have no one but myself to blame. -- Daniel P. Brown [office] (570-) 587-7080 Ext. 272 [mobile] (570-) 766-8107