Re: Re: php framework, large site

Hi, as a creator of the one of those half baked's I want to say someting about this issue. People wants own Php framework etc. Because 1-) Documentation. For my point of view most of unix documentation style was too complex. After more than 10 years of linux experience I still hate man pages. And some how (I believe this because of want look like professional/ubergeek/hyper academic) most language/framework/cms/thisthat in Open Source universe uses complex documentation model. Php was non programmers programming language especially for web. Uber Programmers still rejecting php (because of function naming, not good enough oo support, etc etc etc). Also there was tons of more polished programming (and or scripting) language for web (perl, python, ruby) none of them reach popularty of php. After tons of security problems, misbehaved functions, php still growing as fast as possible. It was documentation damn it. No other language has php style documentation. So ? Most of php framework's uses complex documentation model and because of this lost of people can't understand (and improve) those frameworks and implement own. 2-) Complexing... Over time frameworks become more complex... If you are there from start there was no problem for you and if came here after 4 years you will see lots of classes and functions to understand to the what the hell goes around there. Last month our company give try for typo3. OUCH!! I'm still tyring to understand what goin there. Function names was very funny. I still try to understand their system. According the their web pages in 5.0 they will clean up the system. .Backward compatibility. Most of php programmers are non programmers and php can grow up with his programmer and world of WWW too fast for anything. Programming c was not so much change last 5 years and programmin php in last 5 years was changed too much. AND if you are my kind (growing with php) your programing style was dramaticly changed. And if you had so popular framework you have to give backward support. And this was increase complexity of some frameworks. .overused OO I see some frame works uses $this->$that->$yada->$bada() Ouch man if we can tolerate this kind of compexity we can even program in ASM... 3-) This is world of HTML, JS and HTTP. there was lot of way to implement your idea. 4-) Writing someting in php very easy 5-) Having own framework was coool. ;) Regards sancar