Re: Calling All Opinionated ******** ....

Greg Donald schreef:

On 2/1/08, Jochem Maas <jochem@iamjochem.com> wrote:

I'm in the market for a new framework/toolkit/whatever-you-want-to-call-it. I've been taking a good hard look at the Zend Framework - if nothing else the docs are very impressive. I'd like to hear from people who have or are using ZF with regard to their experiences, dislikes, likes, problems, new found fame and fortune, etc ... but only if it concerns ZF. I don't need to hear stuff like 'use XYZ it's great' - finding php frameworks/CMS/etc is easy ... figuring out which are best of breed is another matter, if only because it involves reading zillions of lines of code and documentation. besides I find that you only ever get bitten in the ass by short-comings and bugs when your 80% into the project that needs to be online yesterday and you knee deep in a nightmare requirements change or tackling some PITA performance issue. so people, roll out your ZF love stories and nightmares - spare no details - share the knowledge. or something :-)

Hilarious. "I'm in the market for a new framework, but please only tell me about ZF because I don't want to spend my own time researching stuff for myself."

you need some glasses? I've just spent 4 hours reading ZF documentation and code ... today - I've played with it in the past but it was still beta at that time. I'm starting to take another look, but no ammount of playing with it or reading documentation will tell me if I'm going to have major regrets about choosing ZF for a large project when I'm 400 hours into it and stuck with a deadline and an impossible situation. funnily enough I'm not capable of researching inside someone else's head when it comes to *their opinion*, more specifically people who you are familiar with to soome degree, whereby you able to gauge to a better extent how relevant the opinion/experience offered is to one's own situation.

Since when is learning something new a crime?

and where do you go to learn someone else's opinion?

Why are you even a programmer?

something bothering you? got out of the wrong side of bed today?

ZF works fine if you don't mind all the bloated OO PHP. Use it or don't.

brilliant advice, you we're on better form yesterday my friend.