Re: Zend Framework...where to start? -- don't.

On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:37 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: > On Thursday 15 January 2009 17:45:35 Robert Cummings wrote: > .... > > > > > > Hell, yes, signed to from start to end. > > > > > > After RoR, PHP guys (including Zend) goes nuts. > > > Every one eat his brains to develop RoR like Framework. > > > > What are you smoking? I like my framework the way it is. I'm sure others > > like theirs the way it is. In no way do I try to be like RoR and > > probably for good reason since I hear mostly bad things about RoR. > > > Naah, I left somoking more than 3 years ago and having problems discussing in > English (still no former education). > > And I'm sorry, My English better than your Turkish. > So please be polute about my grammar errors. :) > > Everyone likes own dog-meat. > And, last week I meet a tiny php shop to fix their code against remote file > inclusion. Their code was uber mess and one thing make me sad. > > Their old coder (which he doesn't know anything about current php development > trends) do the job wint under 20k phtml code. (most of k was spend for html > tables). maybe 5 functions and so. > > I'm very sure to updating his code with current trends plus some improvement > under (excluding the templates) in 20k I can give the answer for 80% of web > demands. > > And if we look someting more TYPO3 / Joomla / Drupal can do the job. > > For Ruby, Perl, Python, you have have a web focused frame work to get job done > in faster. > > And that php already web focused language. > > we need faster, more organized, better language, not uber bloated framwork > from ZEND. > > > > I wish to see fixed function parameter names > > > > Good luck with that... it's been shot down several times on the PHP > > internals list. > > > > > , option orders, easy and strong input validation in PHP 6. > > > > Isn't the filters stuff available in PHP5 already for doing stronger > > validation. It's not like input validation is difficult. > > > > > And they give full effort to generate Zend Framework. > > > > Huh? > > > > > Then what? It still harder than Ror... > > > > What is? PHP? What are you talking about? > > I mean, ZEND Framework still harder to handle than RoR. > > > > > > Hell yes, Compete own community. teh best way to spend your resources... > > > > Internal competition only makes something better. If all you have are > > yes men, then the only answer you'll get is "yes". Having those who > > dissent in opinion provides a basis for different views and approaches > > to problem solving. May survival of the fittest benefit all both from > > the perspective of getting a better final product and from the > > perspective of learning from mistakes along the way. > > Yes of course and that Zend was not M$, they not swim in to dollar filled > pools. > > And wIth zend framework, Zend begin rivalling against CI, Symphony, Solar and > other popular framework communuties. (including yours and mine). Ah, I see what your saying... I thought you were railing on PHP (punny eh?) when you were actually railing on Zend in particular. Thanks for the clarification. Cheers, Rob. -- http://www.interjinn.com Application and Templating Framework for PHP