Re: <table>-less layouts; Ideas welcome

On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 09:54 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 1:02 AM -0700 5/21/09, Jim Lucas wrote: > >Since this has been a topic of dicussion, I figured I would add my thoughts. > > > >I have been toying with the idea of doing a <table>-less layouts > >involving tabular data, calendars, etc... > > > >Recent threads have finally made me do it. Let me know what you think. > > > >http://www.cmsws.com/examples/templates/div_tables.php > >http://www.cmsws.com/examples/templates/div_tables.phps > >(source for above) > >http://www.cmsws.com/examples/templates/div_cal.php > > Any source for the above? :-) > > Your work, as always, is top-notch. > > I've tested both your table and calendar in other browsers and they > work quite well-- congratulations. > > My thoughts are -- my understanding the reason why tables have > received such bad-press is that designers have abused tables in > holding designs together with nested tables AND in doing so made it > difficult for the visually disabled to pull content from the site. > Screen readers do not read the screen but rather read the source and > pull out of it what they (the screen reader program) think is > content. Translating nested tables becomes an impossible job for them. > > In that light, if one compares your code with the amount of code to > do this with tables, I don't see much difference. > > With tables, one uses <tr> and <td> whereas your code uses <div > class="table_tr"> and <div class="table_td"> -- while you do it > nicely, I really don't see much difference in structure or verbosity. > > Furthermore, styling your table as compared to a standard table is > nearly identical -- I don't see an advantage to either. > > Additionally, and not of your doing, even the new css tables don't > solve this verbosity problem but instead offer more difficulties for > browsers -- such as Safari doesn't understand caption-side correctly. > > In any event, I wouldn't mind seeing the php that creates your > calendar. I'm working on a project at the moment where I need to > review week, month, two-month, and three-month displays. > > Cheers, > > tedd > > -- > ------- > http://sperling.com > http://ancientstones.com 4(Ê°]á > WeíIéÿ}Ïhttp://earthstones.com > Tedd, I've got a fairly simple calendar script in PHP here http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk/coding.php?group=php&article=coding_php_calendar.php which could be adapted fairly easily with the right tweaks. Ash www.ashleysheridan.co.uk