RE: [PHP] Need quick got written up yesterday!! OUCH (RESOLVED)

> -----Original Message----- > From: Paul M Foster [mailto:paulf@quillandmouse.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:44 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Need quick got written up yesterday!! OUCH > (RESOLVED) > > On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 12:42:11PM -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote: > > > Miller, Terion wrote: > > > Shawn you know repeatedly have been nothing but an asshole to me on > > > this list, I have said before I'm not a php programmer, I was a > front > > > end designer, need graphics , need a css layout...see me....need > > > backend programming..I'm trying... Stop being such a egomaniacal > > > dickhead, a social life may do you good. > > > > Dearest Terion, > > > > If by "repeatedly", you mean twice, then yes I'll agree. I've also > > helped and/or solved your issues more than twice (once being today if > > you've read it and followed it). Most often my intent was to get you > to > > try and learn and troubleshoot your own issues instead of posting the > > same code problems and syntax errors over and over. You come to this > > list "repeatedly" with errors that are caused by a total lack of > > understanding, and in my opinion, a total lack of due diligence on > your > > part. It's not today or the past week or the past several weeks, > it's > > been for quite some time with little or no improvement. > > > > If by being an "asshole", you mean the time that I suggested that you > > get an editor with syntax checking/highlighting because you posted a > > whole page of wrapped code that had a syntax error (missing > semicolon), > > then yes I have been, though a helpful asshole with good intentions. > At > > some point it gets obnoxious. When is that point? It differs > depending > > upon the person. Many on this list have just stopped replying to > your > > posts altogether. I like them need to see an attempt to help ones > self > > occasionally before I continue with help. > > > > I wasn't defending your boss yelling at you, that's rarely > appropriate. > > However, after the many posts from you on this list, to see "Need > quick > > got written up yesterday!! OUCH", I felt like yelling at you, "Need > > payment doing your work!! CONSTANTLY" :-) > > > > As a CSS/HTML/graphics designer, did you take this job with the > > understanding that you'd have to learn PHP or did they just thrust it > > upon you? If the former, then you need to buckle down and learn it > in a > > constructive manner. If your social life needs to suffer for a short > > time, then that's what it takes. If the latter, then maybe talk to > them > > about some company paid training and mentoring from someone helpful > that > > knows backend programming and PHP. > > > > I may be a "dickhead", but not "egomaniacal". There are many better > PHP > > gurus on this list than I, and I know it. Unfortunately, many of them > > are ignoring your posts entirely. At present my social life is > actually > > overwhelming my ability to devote time to PHP coding, however if > you'd > > like to send pictures I'll give them a look see. > > > > I can understand your frustration and can tell that you're very > > stressed, so I will attempt to not be an "asshole" nor a "dickhead", > but > > please show a little more devotion to learning and helping yourself. > > I have to agree with Shawn on most everything. I'm one of those people > who've chosen not to pay attention to your posts. The masses of code > you > post are nearly indecipherable, and you seem to be constantly tripped > up > by syntax errors, etc. > > PJ blew it with me in the same way. PJ, too, is not a professional > coder. And like you, he seems to be unwilling to buckle down and study > the language, preferring instead to come to experts here to get free > tutoring. But at some point, the patience of people on this list runs > out, and rather than excoriating you, they simply stop helping you. > > My point here is not to insult you or denigrate your abilities. You may > be a very nice person, and quite talented at doing the things you're > trained to do. But programming in PHP is apparently not one of them. > And > if you're going to be doing this for a living, then you're going to > have > to either stop doing this for a living, or actually study the subject. > Because sooner or later, no one here will listen, no matter how nice > you > are, and no matter how well you do the other parts of your job. > > Paul > > -- > Paul M. Foster > > -- [HallMarc Websites] God I love this planet. I agree with Paul. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4306 (20090804) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com