Re: RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger

I do use FirePHP and your project looks interesting to evaluate. Will check it out in a couple of days. It would be more interesting if they really are complimentary. I think people who use FireBug's console API would be able to appreciate FirePHP/formaldehyde more. However, I do NOT deny the fact that not every project needs them. --Bipin Upadhyay. Andrea Giammarchi wrote:

So nobody here debugs interaction and nobody uses Selenium for application tests ... fair enough. Would be nice to receive some response for those developers whose deal everyday with big/complex applications, 'cause here seems nobody i susing FirePHP or frameworks debuggers while numbers tell me the scenario is totally different. Regards

Subject: RE: [PHP] RE: [Formaldehyde] The Most Basic Ajax - PHP Error Debugger From: ash@ashleysheridan.co.uk To: tedd.sperling@gmail.com CC: an_red@hotmail.com; php-general@lists.php.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:39:12 +0100 On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:35 -0400, tedd wrote:

     
At 3:27 PM +0200 9/11/09, Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
       
That's a finished production site ... how did you debug during its

development? 'Cause Formaldehyde is for development, not for production ... I guess you have implented your own error manager/debugger, right?

What's to debug? The site -- http://webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ -- uses a very simple ajax script, namely: http://webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/js/a.js Outside of that, everything else is done in php, html, and css, which is completely separate from ajax. I can create a very extensive and complicated site using that simple ajax routine without any alteration whatsoever. I don't need a debugger because I never touch the code. Now maybe I'm not getting it, but from my perspective ajax is pretty simple. The point I'm getting at is that ajax is simply a method of communication -- you send stuff and you read stuff. You don't need to rewrite the US Postal Service every time you send/receive a letter. Cheers, tedd -- ------- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com

I agree. I tend to reuse the same basic functionality whenever I use AJAX. With some half-decent unit-testing, you can debug the Javascript parts easily enough. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk

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