RE: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr ogramming???")

Just some thoughts on this topic. I've ran a web development business for 6 years. I've seen demand for PHP grow exponentially in recent months. However, it still isn't anywhere near where it could be. I think the new Zend Products will help corporate acceptance and job growth. Right now when I look at sites like monster, hotjobs, guru.com, etc. there are few php listings. It is hard for clients looking explicitly for good php talent to find it easily. We used to get a number of good leads every month off of PHPBuilder.com's job board. However, it was taken down in recent months at parent company internet.com's request. I think we need a central site where people looking for contract work and full time employment positions can come and post jobs related to php. If anyone has a good domain idea or one already bought, I'd be glad to work with them on such a site. This type of site would need to be pushed by the community if they want to benefit from it. Just putting a job board up and letting it sit won't do the trick. Scott Delap SBC Services, Inc. sd3982@momail.sbc.com 314-235-6216 -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Munoz [mailto:bmunoz@ivtweb.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:37 PM To: 'Dean Hall'; PHP General Subject: RE: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP pr ogramming???") Great thread. When I was changing jobs in April of 2000, a recruiter told me that PHP is "cool and all", but there is zero demand for developers of PHP web apps (in Los Angeles). Although I've been very productive developing in PHP, he advised me to learn something else, b/c the demand just isn't there. I prefer PHP for my web dev, but I'm still curious how accurate he was. I know that that Java/EJB/JSP and COM/ASP is in MUCH more demand, and therefore command a higher wage. Demand vs supply, right?. A search today on monster.com for ASP in LA yields 142 listings, Java yields 262, JSP yields 32, Perl yields 105, PHP yields 16, cold fusion yields 16. -Has the demand changed much in your city since middle of last year? -Also, for developers who are proficient in several web dev environments, is it mostly true that you use PHP for your own personal projects, but some other language for big corporate clients. -What is the perception of PHP for mid/large organizations with more to risk? -What can we as a developer community do to change this? Thanks, I'm very interested in others' opinions on this. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: Dean Hall [mailto:hall@apt7.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 10:43 AM To: PHP General Subject: [PHP] contracting & consulting (was "[PHP] Pricing for PHP programming???") Somewhat related to the recent discussion on pricing for contractors, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of any good resources to help budding contrators/consultants find their way around. I'm a skilled web developer, but I'm not so knowledgeable when it comes to law and conventions in the US for contractors and consultants doing web development (or anything else). If there are any good books or websites that talk about this type of self-employment, or if anyone has personal experience they wish to offer, please let me know. Thanks. Dean. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net To contact the list administrators, e-mail: php-list-admin@lists.php.net