Re: Hebrew websites transition with php3 ..

As Boaz suggested look into hebrev and hebrevc functions. They are the only ones I can think about right now. check http://php.net/hebrev http://php.net/hebrevc the manual states that this functions are defined in PHP3 and PHP4. HTH -- Meir Kriheli There's someone in my head, but it's not me - Pink Floyd On Wednesday 28 February 2001 17:00, Aviv Revach wrote: > Hey! > > Ok, I think that I will stick to logical Hebrew as most of you suggested. > > But still, I'm interested in knowing how could I take a HTML document which > contains > HTML tags, Hebrew words and English words, and reveres only the Hebrew > words (making > them Visual Hebrew) using only php3 functions (the server I'm using doesn't > support php4). > > It would be great if anyone could point of a solution for doing that. > By writing a script that will do that, I will both options - show the > Hebrew in my website as Logical or use a script to translate it into visual > Hebrew for browsers who do not support it. > > Thank you in advance - > > Aviv Revach > > At 16:45 01/03/01 +0200, Meir kriheli wrote: > >On Thursday 01 March 2001 09:17, Boaz Yahav wrote: > > > >I think that Aviv should stick to logical hebrew (which is the standart, > > as mentioned by Boaz). > > > >I don't use IE (I'm using Linux) and I can access all the logical sites > > with no problem, including the "<html dir=rtl>" tag and the 'direction: > > rtl' style (thank > >god for konqueror). > > > >Netsacpe 6/Mozilla should support logical Hebrew pretty soon so no trouble > >there, and if Opera wants to gain market share they shold support the > >standart (logical) in here to. > > > >Altough the 3% estimate seems wrong (as noted by Manuel Lemos - Hi :-) , > > the majority of users in Israel are using IE. > > > >One more problem you'll have with visaul hebrew is the ugly line breaks > > which cause the end of the sentence to appear before the start of it. > > > >I had a long discussion of this subject with Manuel off this mailing list. > > I can send you a digest of it if you wish. > > > >-- > >Meir Kriheli > > > > There's someone in my head, but it's not me - Pink Floyd > > > > > Hi Manuel, > > > > > > All is great, working hard to make WeberDev.com a better place > > > for the community and trying to make people understand we don't > > > make $$$ from it :) > > > > > > The IE / NN war was one that left no chance for NN in Israel. > > > While MS spent millions in making all of their products in Hebrew, > > > including the free IE, NN refused to support Hebrew. > > > > > > While the 3% is correct for Israel, it's far from being true on an > > > international basis. > > > > > > There are 3 large portals in Israel, 1 supports only IE (MSN), > > > and the other two that supported NN, until not long ago, started > > > to develop for IE only about 4-6 months ago. > > > > > > This is why there is no reason to support anything other than > > > IE in Israel. > > > > > > With all due respect to people that like other browsers, developing > > > for all browsers costs lots of $$$ and as long as portals are free > > > and loosing lots of $$$ it's not profitable to develop for all. > > > > > > Bottom line, as the CTO of one of those portals I say go > > > with Logical Hebrew and dump Netscape (In Israel Only). > > > > > > and don't forget to add the <HTML DIR="rtl"> tag at the > > > beginning of each page. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > berber > > > > > > Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! > > > To see where PHP might take you tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Manuel Lemos [mailto:mlemos@acm.org] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:51 PM > > > To: php-general@lists.php.net > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Hebrew websites transition with php3 .. > > > > > > > > > Hello Boaz, > > > > > > How are you doing these days? :-) > > > > > > On 28-Feb-01 16:39:35, you wrote: > > > >The figures I'm giving you are from one of the two biggest portals in > > > >Israel. > > > >it's less than 3%. > > > > > > Mind me for jumping in, but I think Aviv question about the truth of > > > the 3% figure ie very pertinent. > > > > > > The way I see it it is a gross mistake to assume that the audience of a > > > large portal is necessary a reflex of the potential audience of that > > > portal. > > > > > > I also work for a large portal company (not for the Hebrew audience > > > though) and I found people making the same large mistake. They looked > > > at the sites audience and figure that there is over 90% of Internet > > > Explorer users in a site that used IE specific DHTML. Needless to say > > > that it didn't show right in Netscape. > > > > > > Given that sites do not show right in certain browsers, it looks > > > obvious that almost nobody using those browsers would show in the > > > browser audience rates. > > > > > > I even wonder why there are still 3% of users of browsers that do not > > > support logical Hebrew display that go to your portal. Same for the > > > 10% of Netscape users that go to that other site in my company portal. > > > Maybe those are just lurkers that went there and gave up on the site > > > and did not return because they could not see right what was in there. > > > > > > The reality is that it turns out that there is still about 30% os > > > Netscape users, meaning that if you force a certain type of display > > > that they don't see right, you loose their audience. > > > > > > Just my .02 EUR. :-) > > > > > > Manuel Lemos > > > > > > >I'm not sure about Opera, if you are developing for an Israeli > > > >audience, you can simply develop for IE 4.x and up. > > > > > > > >anyone with any other browser can go and get IE :) > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Aviv Revach [mailto:jolp@netvision.net.il] > > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:03 PM > > > >To: Boaz Yahav; php-general@lists.php.net > > > >Subject: RE: [PHP] Hebrew websites transition with php3 .. > > > > > > > > > > > >Hey! > > > > > > > >Thank you for the quick reply. > > > > > > > >I do have some questions regarding your answer. > > > > > > > > From what I know and have seen so far, there are more than just 3% > > > >Internet users in Israel which use Netscape 4.x (I use it myself...). > > > >Are you sure that I should just ignore these people, and just use > > > > logical Hebrew? > > > > > > > >Also, quite a lot of people started using Opera lately.. (ain't > > > > speaking about Israeli users). > > > >Does Opera supports Logical Hebrew? If so, from which version? > > > > > > > > > > > >Best Regards - > > > > > > > > Aviv Revach > > > > > > > >At 15:20 28/02/01 +0200, Boaz Yahav wrote: > > > >>Hi Aviv > > > >> > > > >>Let me give you a small tip about Hebrew on the net. > > > >> > > > >>The proper Hebrew code which was adopted by the Israeli Institute of > > > >>Standards > > > >>is the Logical standard. This standard is automatically supported by > > > >> IE > > > > > > 4.x > > > > > > >>and 5.x > > > >>and also by Netscape 6.x. > > > >> > > > >>The percentage of not IE4.x or 5.x users in Israel is less than 3%. > > > >> > > > >>3 of the major portals in Israel (Walla, Nana and MSN) are already > > > >> moving > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >>logical Hebrew. > > > >> > > > >>So why use Visual Hebrew? > > > >> > > > >>In case you decide to go with Visual in any case, did you try > > > >> hebrevc()? > > > >> > > > >>Sincerely > > > >> > > > >> berber > > > >> > > > >>Visit http://www.weberdev.com Today!!! > > > >>To see where PHP might take you tomorrow. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > >>From: Aviv Revach [mailto:jolp@netvision.net.il] > > > >>Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:43 PM > > > >>To: php-general@lists.php.net > > > >>Subject: [PHP] Hebrew websites transition with php3 .. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Hey! > > > >> > > > >>I've just joined this mailing-list, therefore, first of all, I would > > > >> like to say hello to everybody. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Now, regarding the issue.. > > > >> > > > >>As some of you might know, handling with Hebrew websites is rather > > > >>difficult. Hebrew words often come-out in reversed order (i.e. 'lmth' > > > >>instead of 'html'). > > > >> > > > >>I'm working on a php3 script which would help me do the following - > > > >>Load an existing HTML file which consists Hebrew words (as well as > > > >> English words and HTML tags), then reversing the Hebrew words back > > > >> to order. > > > >> > > > >>The problem I'm dealing with is how to reverse only the Hebrew words > > > >> and not the entire > > > >>document, which contains HTML tags and English words as well. > > > >>The function 'hebrev()' does the process of reversing, but it > > > >> reverses > > > > > > tags > > > > > > >>as well. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>I would really appreciate it, if anyone will find some spare time to > > > >> help me. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Thank you in advance - > > > >> > > > >> Aviv Revach > > > >> > > > >>XOR-Coders Mega Programming Resource Site! - > > > >> http://members.xoom.com/xorcoders/ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >>PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > > >>For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > > > >>To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > > > >> php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > > > >XOR-Coders Mega Programming Resource Site! - > > > > http://members.xoom.com/xorcoders/ > > > > > > > >-- > > > >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: php-general-unsubscribe@lists.php.net > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: php-general-help@lists.php.net > > > >To contact the list administrators, e-mail: > > > > php-list-admin@lists.php.net > > > > > > Regards, > > > Manuel Lemos > > > > > > Web Programming Components using PHP Classes. > > > Look at: http://phpclasses.UpperDesign.com/?user=mlemos@acm.org > > > -- > > > E-mail: mlemos@acm.org > > > URL: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ > > > PGP key: http://www.mlemos.e-na.net/ManuelLemos.pgp > > > -- > > XOR-Coders Mega Programming Resource Site! - > http://members.xoom.com/xorcoders/