Re: FAQ Ignor if you are tired of this.

This was sent off-list. I respect that. And it voices some opinions. I am not flaming newbie questions. I am a newbie myself. I do have a problem with the same questions coming up 3 times in a row. With developers asking people to do simple logic. And people not looking for answers before they ask. All I am asking is if you do not have an understanding of programming.. do some tutorials. I am talking about questions like... how can I make the page print "1 2 3 4 5" style of questions that come up because php is the first thing that they looked at. This means the person hasn't even looked for a basic tutorial. I love the idea that the list is helpful, I love to answer all the questions that I can, but some people want you to hold their hand. the "help-Your-friends-forum" is "hold-your-hand-forum" or "spoon-feed-me-forum" occassionaly. the manual is http://www.php.net/manual/en/ do a simple search. These guys did a pretty good job here. I spent $80 on a book so I can step though the different functions and keep most of my questions off the list. If you spent time looking say so, I can respect not being able to find something even if it is obvious.. I have done it myself. I asked about contatination. I was looking for a strcat function. Maybe I should invest some time into an site called phpstarter.com and buy the domain name. I get quite a bit of help from people from this list on and off mailing. I am not flaming anyone in particular, I am just tired of people not bothering to spend any energy because it is easier to get someone else to give you the answer. That is what bugs me.

I'm a newbee too, have search for hours in the online-manual to find certain answers. Also looked through the FAQ's, searched on PHPbuilder , Devshead and other sites, but didn't find a clue on my problem. It's frustrating spending hours one something a Pro would do in 5 secs!!! If the mailinglists wasn't ment to be a "help-Your-friends-forum" what are they then? The problem with the manual is, that it is VERY hard to understand correct for a newbee. For a little experienced developer it's no problem. But the rest of us?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick St Jean" <rstjean@internet.look.ca> Newsgroups: php.general Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] FAQ The problem is that people are lazy or just to stupid to look for stuff. Sometimes yes, we just miss something small or it is under another section. I have done it as recently as tuesday with implode. But this is getting nuts. I guess I am frustrated because all the lists I am on are filled with lazy people who whine and want someone else to do all their work for them. PHP is not low level if you need something simple use iHTML. It is the simplest scripting language out there. I propose that the first few sentances of the signup message should be... READ THE MANUAL BEFORE POSTING!!!!!! READ THE MANUAL BEFORE POSTING!!!!!! READ THE MANUAL BEFORE POSTING!!!!!! if you are confused about this... READ THE MANUAL BEFORE POSTING!!!!!! SEARCH THE ARCHIVES / FAQ BEFORE POSTING!!!!! SEARCH THE ARCHIVES / FAQ BEFORE POSTING!!!!! SEARCH THE ARCHIVES / FAQ BEFORE POSTING!!!!! if you doing understand then SEARCH THE ARCHIVES / FAQ BEFORE POSTING!!!!! Rick At 10:22 AM 3/15/01 -0600, Chris Lee wrote:

people wouldnt use an FAQ, when you see three people ask the exact same question on one single day, you know they dont read the other post, or care. if they wont read the posts on the same day they wont read an FAQ, they keep posting. -- Chris Lee lee@mediawaveonline.com ""Mal McKay"" <mckaym@illyana.com> wrote in message news:FLEGIOODPKNNPJPGNLMMEEGICJAA.mckaym@illyana.com... I'd just like to offset my other email by saying that a faq is often no substitute for the knowledge and experience of this list's members. In a strange way, the 'dumb' question this list gets proves the a faq can not

be

expected to know the right way to answer a query. A list member out there just might know _exactly_ what you need to solve your problem. mal -----Original Message----- From: RBL [mailto:daveg@rblc.com] Sent: 15 March 2001 17:17 To: Rick St Jean; php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] FAQ on 3/15/01 9:04 AM, Rick St Jean at rstjean@internet.look.ca wrote:

Also I would like to know if there would be a demand for an experienced mailing list? I am just frustrated by the same 3 questions that pop up about once a day. The rest of the posts are great. Rick

I once thought a great product for mail lists (would require an admin interface, PHP?) would be a way to put into the list mail signature a

random

FAQ link. Fill that particular FAQ with commonly asked questions and have the FAQ

sent

out each month to all subscribers. A decent threaded mail reader would

make

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