Re: PHP Boot Camp [Announcement]

Yes, I absolutely suck as a Graphic Designer. There will not be any pretty charts, graphics, or nifty layouts in the course. We're talking raw, bare-bones, text-edited HTML. No Dream-Weaver, no FrontPage, no Homesite, etc. Even the Flash and PDF stuff will be rude, crude, and very austere (at best). The point is to get something cool/dynamic so that a designer can do their magic to make it pretty. Or, rather, to teach Graphic Designers enough PHP to embody *both* sides of their brain and put all us geeks out of work :-) You are, however, correct, that I should have hired somebody to make the sites prettier. I wish I had the time/budget for that, but I don't at the moment. (I do kinda like the logo, which, of course, I out-sourced.) Oh, and the Universe of the l-i-e site changes each time you re-load :-) If you want to learn graphic design and layout, for sure, don't come. If you want to learn how to do PHP and you're in a hurry, it's probably worth your time/money. OTOH, if you have months to learn, start reading http://php.net, all the code archives, the 100+/day messages to this list like I have for the last 4 years, maybe a couple of the books I Tech-edited, pay a few thousand bucks to attend the various PHP Conferences I've been to, and you'll be set... I think it's worth $800 to have all that smushed into two days, but if I'm wrong, I reckon we'll see this endeavor fold. If I'm right, expect the low-budget site-design to improve rather quickly. :-) Perhaps a more representative sample of my sites with decent (albeit still *very* low-budget) design would be: http://uncommonground.com http://chatmusic.com http://nogenre.com (Technically, I did the design, but sometimes less is more...) http://voodookings.net http://snothead.com These also have rather extensive admin back-end sites since the cafe owner (first URL) and 200+ members (second URL) and the musicians (4th/5th) do all the data-entry and routine updates of content like menus and calendars for those sites. I'm a firm believer in self-serve dynamic web-sites for low-budget clients who can't afford a huge re-work every year or two like Corporate America. I mostly work for starving musicians who literally have to scrape for the $20/month hosting fees, and focus on content, not presentation. It's the music that matters to them. (I don't work with the Britney Spears' of the industry -- Not interested.) I'm actually targetting Graphic Designers who want to learn programming concepts and techniques, not the other way around. :-) Still, it seemed relevant to post here. Sorry I offended your sensibilities. PS Your blasphemy was only that I've been around for four or five years, and some people actually like me for some reason [shrug] :-) :-) :-) I'm certainly not offended. You have to work way harder than that to offend me. -- WARNING richard@zend.com address is an endangered species -- Use ceo@l-i-e.com Wanna help me out? Like Music? Buy a CD: http://l-i-e.com/artists.htm Volunteer a little time: http://chatmusic.com/volunteer.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Nowayman <NoWayMan@NoWay.com> Newsgroups: php.general To: <php-general@lists.php.net> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Boot Camp [Announcement] > OOOH, touched a nerve... > > I'm sorry to have <i>blasphemed</i>. > > I was just making an observation that the sites he produced were > pretty lame. I was just suggesting that even if he was such a hot-shot > PHP guru, he'd want to have some sort of "niceness" about the sites > he produces. > > I am, honestly, just beginning with PHP but have rpogrammed in other > languages for several years. But that doesn't make me a bad web site > designer. I am helping to design an E-Commerce instruction class and > intend on making PHP one of the main topics. IT will be similar to the > BootCamp but over a number of weeks .vs 2-days. > > I guess I should have included a few hunderd :) so you folks wouldn't have > taken it so seriously. > > > > Listen jackass, Richard is a PHP Programmer, not a Web Designer. Next > > time you feel like flaming back, do me a favor, shove both feet in your > > mouth first. > > > > >