Re: lookin for a Menuing System...

On 29 Apr 2002 at 0:46, michael kimsal wrote: > Can someone point me to hardware that is still in active use that can't > handle javascript? Hardware? No. > Similarly, can someone point me to a company that specifically disables > javascript as 'corporate policy'? Back in 96-97, the 'no javascript' Hmmm, not specifically. Although, I can think of at least one large organisation with a WAN that would have thousands of computers that specifically _ADDS_ their own javascript-based navigation to the top of every single page in the browser. This particular behaviour will break any javascript mouse-over that doesn't specifically name, and use by name, mouse-overs. The point in a network the size of the Internet you just don't know. A good web programmer is going to take into account that some people will deliberately disable javascript. For those people you get a choice. Either ignore them or take them into account. It's your decision. Just because everyone else does it is not enough reason. Few web designers take the blind into account when designing but that doesn't mean it's right. In fact, here in Australia the Sydney Olympics web site was the subject of (winning if I recall) legal action over it's inaccessibility to the blind. There are ways to make sure your wonderful web design will still work if javascript isn't present. There are design rules that will leave your website mostly navigable to people using text-based browsers. There are ways to degrade capabilities gracefully, and ways to disable badly. An example of badly is to basically tell someone to "bugger off" because they don't have 'xxx' (where 'xxx' is whatever technology you want to use, be it javascript, java, flash, etc, etc). If they can figure out you don't have it and give you a message about it then they can insert something that leaves the site functional - even if not as "nice" an experience. > IMO, it's now like targetting only websafe colors because some people > might only browse in 256 colors. If they do that, about 80% of the > web's content will look like crap anyway, and they won't specifically > think my stuff looks all that much worse than anyone else's. Depends on your audience. I fair percentage of computer owners never adjust their screen resolution from whatever it was delivered at. If the store left it at 800x600x256 then they will never change it even if it's capable of more. I know of at least one organisation that was running 17" monitors at 640x480x256 because that's how they were set up when delivered! Weren't they surprised when we changed it for them... CYA, Dave