Re: About Contributions

Contributing code to the PHP core is not a requirement for getting karma to PHP-GTK. If you have patches for PHP-GTK, send them as pull requests, and I can get them in for you (I have PHP-GTK karma). After I've merged in a pull request or two, we can do a karma request, and I'll be happy to vouch for you.. - Ben > On Jun 21, 2015, at 17:56, Gage Morgan <gagemorgan@outlook.com> wrote: > > Hey, guys, I'm having the same problem Bruno has, and I'm a bit irritated about it: > > In order to contribute to PHP.net, you need an insane amount of requirements completed to > contribute to any projects under PHP.net. It's a bureaucracy, and if they say its meritocracy, > they should go look at WordPress. WordPress actually votes on what gets added in the next release, > but if you do a project and bring it to the table, you are judged on how many contributions were > made prior and your level of "merit" is decided based on how many contributions for the > good were made in the past. Although what gets in and out is up to the leads, what projects get > worked on can be brought to the table and worked on, but then to get into the release a team from > WordPress core and the community will look into each project and either say it will or it won't > be added. I did ask over there to work on a project, and Andrew Nacin replied that projects > don't go by a version basis but instead a completion. So if your project doesn't make it, > there's always next time. > > But I'm not seeing the same drive at php.net. Putting politics aside, wouldn't you > think they would WANT contributions? And the same with WordPress.org, though you usually go through > someone else with commit access, as I've read that usually only leads keep commit rights, and > leads get chosen by Matt Mullenwag or something like that, every two years. But anyway, I'm > finding it increasingly harder to do things around here. I don't know why they need to make > things harder than they should be, especially for side projects of theirs that they keep like this > one. I'm not giving up at all, but if possible, they got two people with potential that need > appropriate rights, one with very basic knowledge of C++, the other with none, and that's with > me and Bruno: He doesn't like KARMA any more than I do, and I realize what they're trying > to do (security, etc.) but it only ever makes things harder to do for those who are new and mean > well (like me and Bruno). > > Now, I realize to develop this you do need some C/C++ knowledge, but to get git commit > access/KARMA, you need to write C code for the PHP main branch first, which is where I'm stuck > at in the process, instead of doing what I came here to do in the first place, which is working with > Alexandre and Bruno, who happens to have the same issue as the one I just mentioned here. So, before > anyone is offended, I apologize for the rant, but this project is going nowhere fast without > contributors, and those contributors that this particular project need the most are stuck on the > other side of the front door without a key. You have two contributors; one who gave up trying to get > in, the other weighing his options. Bruno and I can only do what we came here to do if we're > given appropriate permissions, and right now, there's no proper way for PHP.net to tell > we're not two trolls on the Internet looking to grief some data (which we're not; we are > actually quite the exact opposite). I don't know whether he meant to send this to the group or > not, but he sent me this message, and my God he sounded desperate: > >> Hello Gage, sorry for delay to answer you, first for my personal issues, >> second for my bad english >> >> ​For years I have see​n very enthusiasts people, who never seen c/c++ >> sources and with alot of pression to do the project. So I decided to create >> my own repo on github, and make some tests >> >> My tests are not definitively, and has alot of things to think about. >> Structures, generators, people to code, and alot other things >> >> I have created this repo about a year ago, and nobody contribute with one >> line of code, and think about all php-gtk structure alone can be hard >> >> I think you can see how disappointed I am, but my tests will continue, on >> my time, but will continue >> >> Thank you, and whisp me for ANYTHING you need > > > > So, while I finish this message, please consider contacting SOMEBODY who can do something about > this, even if you disagree with what I'm saying. I forget whether or not it was PHP that said > it was a meritocracy, because I'm starting to see more and more of them by the day, such as > Ubuntu. But regardless, in order to help, it shouldn't mean you should have to go through > Mission Impossible in order to do so. > > I don't mean to sound like Tupac when I say this, but don't you think it might be > time for a change, albeit a small one? Well, there's two guys waiting to get started, and one > of them is me, so while I struggle to get in, someone else gave up, and that someone else gave up > because no matter how hard he knocked, apparently nobody let him in. > > Thank you; you are probably the best community of developers I've seen, and a appreciate > your support and/or patience. > > --MGage--