Re: print with newline

On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 22:43, G. P. B. <george.banyard@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 22:24, Ryan Jentzsch <ryan.jentzsch@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> With semantic versioning b/c is allowed. For example version 8.0.0 vs >> 7.x.x >> -- version 8.0.0 could include major breaking changes (since it is a major >> version number change). This allows a language to evolve and grow with >> the >> needs of the users. >> If PHP is so rigid that NO B/C are allowed (regardless of >> major version >> changes) then PHP is overtly rigid and I predict it will ultimately become >> extinct. >> > > Saying that no BC are allowed is already complete non sense as they have > been some with PHP 7 and there are already some for PHP 8 in the pipeline.. > > The difference is that this proposal is not suitable at all to PHP because > as it has already been said PHP is mostly used to output HTML to a browser > where a newline with /n does nothing. > It is also trivially implemented like Sara demonstrated. > > I do think that the fact that PHP is rigid at times makes it more suitable > than some other constantly changing languages/frameworks. > > My two cents. > > Best regards > > George P. Banyard > Just realised sent it privately and not to the whole mailling list George P. Banyard On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 22:35, Kalle Sommer Nielsen <kalle@php.net> wrote: > Hi > > Den søn. 3. mar. 2019 kl. 23.24 skrev Ryan Jentzsch < > ryan.jentzsch@gmail.com>: > > > > With semantic versioning b/c is allowed. For example version 8.0.0 vs > 7.x.x > > -- version 8.0.0 could include major breaking changes (since it is a > major > > version number change). This allows a language to evolve and grow with > the > > needs of the users. > > If PHP is so rigid that NO B/C are allowed (regardless of > > major version > > changes) then PHP is overtly rigid and I predict it will ultimately > become > > extinct. > > One very important factor for breaking BC in PHP is also the gain if > you are changing something so centric as the basic output constructs. > I don't see changing echo/print to include a new line would ever pass > due to this, however I could see (and possibly vote yes) to a new > construct that did the exact same with a new line afterwards. > > These however are matters which should, by our process, be discussed > through RFCs that weights pros/cons and the overall impact and demand. > Like Johannes said; there haven't been a high enough demand for anyone > to have voiced their opinion strongly, or at least not the 11 years I > have been contributing myself or the two years I was an internals > reader before that, that I can remember. > > I suggest the OP to start such a process, which can be done by > registering a user on our wiki and following the instructions for > write access to the RFC namespace. > > -- > regards, > > Kalle Sommer Nielsen > kalle@php.net > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >