Re: [RFC] Attributes v2
| From: | Mike Schinkel | Date: | Tue, 10 Mar 2020 01:48:18 +0000 |
| Subject: | Re: [RFC] Attributes v2 | ||
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> On Mar 9, 2020, at 9:36 PM, Matthew Brown <matthewmatthew@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Saying "the syntax makes my eyes bleed" is slightly useless feedback.
That was just a header. There was elaboration right below it:
"I find angle brackets extremely hard to read and fear — having trained many newbies in
programming — that it will cause newbies who see PHP to think it is too complex for them to
consider learning."
And there was a proposed alternative.
> You could say "it's hard to scan", but I don't even think that's true
> – prepending everything << makes it easy to pick out attributes in plain text at a glance,
Not for me. Seeing the word "attributes" is far easier for me than seeing
"<<" and ">>."
I do of course understand YMMV.
> Additionally this syntax has effectively been battle-tested at scale already in PHP-like
> codebases – thousands of engineers at Facebook and Slack have used it over the last few years, and
> been productive with it.
Yeah, developers who have been vetted by two very successful tech companies.
Something tells me neither of them hire moderately-to-lower skilled developers who work in the
trenches at many non high-flying tech companies, nor do they hire newbies who are trying to decide
if they should learn PHP, or learn Javascript/Typescript instead (for example.)
Just registering my objection to the syntax and proposing a readable alternative. I would be highly
surprised if there were not many others in userland who would feel the same. But of course I
unfortunately have no way of validating that belief.
-Mike