Re: [VOTE] Deprecations for PHP 8.1

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 1:39 PM Mike Schinkel <mike@newclarity.net> wrote: > > On Jul 5, 2021, at 7:14 AM, Rowan Tommins <rowan.collins@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > On 05/07/2021 11:46, Patrick ALLAERT wrote: > >> Did we ever deprecated something without the immediate intention of > >> removing it? > > > > > > What would that even mean? > > It would mean that although the functions are available and allowed, they > are not recommended[1]. > > > > Surely a deprecation, by definition, is a notice that something is going > to be removed. > > I know that you, and others on this list, have chosen to define > deprecation as including removal, but that is actually not the accepted > definition on the web, nor is it in any way a requirement, it is just your > preference. > > Indirectly from Wikipedia and voted as the top answer on StackOverflow > here[2] (emphasis MINE): > > "deprecation is a status applied to software features to indicate that > they should be avoided, typically because they have been superseded. > Although deprecated features remain in the software, their use may raise > warning messages recommending alternative practices, and deprecation MAY > indicate that the feature will be removed in the future." > > So I am arguing for the legitimacy of retaining "deprecated" features if > their removal would cause significant BC breakage, I'm not just trying to > be a pendant. > > -Mike > [1] https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/deprecated > [2] > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8111774/deprecated-meaning > Hi Mike, Your links speak *in general*. However this is *specifically for PHP*: https://www.php.net/manual/en/errorfunc.constants.php#errorfunc.constants.errorlevels.e-deprecated-error (*emphasis* mine) E_DEPRECATED: Run-time notices. Enable this to receive warnings about code that *will not work in future versions*. As for "significant BC breakage", isn't that what major versions are for? (and with the current release plan, 9.0 would be for end 2025, i.e. 4 years after 8.1) Regards, -- Guilliam Xavier