Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental extensions... all over again

Actually, I can't imagine that either side was "shouting". Imagine though, if you will, that PHP is the UN. You're all delegates or whatever, sitting in a circle around the room and someone steps in to address you. They criticise existing practices, and suggest that others need to put more effort into their volunteer work. Now how would you react to that? If instead, you stepped in there with a nice long list of specific improvements that can be made, and offered to help make those improvements whereever you can, then you would get a startingly different reception, wouldnt you agree? This is not to say that Roshan isnt correct in his assessment, there probably are a few practices here and there that we could improve upon. But saying "work harder, fix it yourself" isnt going to help at all now is it? As the sayings go, changes arent made unless you're willing to die for what you believe in. Nothing so drastic here, but if you want something done, put in the effort to get it done! Personally, if I'd been a PHP developer, I'd have been rather offended by someone coming in and calling me lazy for not volunteering more of my time than I can give. -bok On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:27:18 -0600, Daniel C. <dcrookston@gmail.com> wrote: > Here we have a polite, if provocative, email, and two very nasty and > rude responses to it. Followed by a polite response from Roshan. If > you walk into a room and see an argument where one side is yelling and > being rude, and one person is responding calmly and politely, who > would you automatically (given no other information) assume is right? > > Just a thought from an outside observer. > Dan > > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Naik, Roshan wrote: > <snip Roshan's thoughtful and polite email> > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:42:11 -0700 (PDT), Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@php.net> wrote: > > > Wow, that was quite a rant from someone who hasn't contributed a damn > > thing. > > Ranting at a bunch of volunteers is utterly useless and counterproductive. > > If you do that, your words might mean something. > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:06:32 -0700, Andi Gutmans <andi@zend.com> wrote: > > Thanks for this quite useless and unproductive email. > > > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >