Re: [VOTE] Release Manager Selection

On 6/1/26 08:27, Tim Düsterhus wrote:

Hi Am 2026-05-25 18:50, schrieb Derick Rethans:

I voted no on this. Not because of the policies themselves, but because "hands-off" and "hands-on" are phrases from a school yard — and suggestions to come up with better names were ignored.

I don't think this is an accurate representation of the discussion. The concerns raised were with regard to the policy, not the naming of the roles. I also disagree with the notion that suggestions were “ignored”. I have replied to every discussion (sub-)thread.

At least 4 messages raised concerns about the naming of the roles: 1. "I'm not sure I like the notion or language of 'hands-off' vs. 'hands-on' release managers." [1] 2. "I disagree with designating whether anyone is 'hands-on' or 'hands-off.'" [1] 3. "I still dislike the distinction of 'hands-on' and 'hands-off' as descriptors for these roles and disagree with their use in defining these roles." [2] 4. "If we can come up with better terminology around the roles [...] then I'll probably change my vote to a 'yes.'" [2] 5. "I've been thinking more about the terminology and have come up with a concrete suggestion." [3] 6. "I agree with Ben, I would prefer 'Veteran Release Manager' / 'Co-release Manager' over 'hands on' / 'hands off'. The 'hands off' sounds negative to me." [4] Cheers, Ben [1]: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130472 [2]: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130756 [3]: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130757 [4]: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130763