Re: namespace improvements to be committed very soon - final review

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > > because it's impossible to discuss anything on internals without the > > noise coming from "outside"..? Could we finally make this list > > read-only for every one but the @php.net people? I get enough spam > > already, spam from this list is not something everyone should suffer > > from. > > That's not the spam question. Talking directly to the person(s) is and > would always be better than sending mails to a public list, from a ton > of aspects. I see no reason to close the list, but I wouldn't expect > all the discussions to happen *only* on the list. Of course, important > things need to be discussed on the list, and they are. Although I don't really care about this specific issue, I do think that all the "spam" on the list drives people quicker to private discussions. I do think that in most (if not all) cases where e-mail is used to discuss PHP issues, the lists should be used. Especially when it's about redoing, say, a database abstraction layer. Private discussions are not a good idea, for just as many reasons as you probably can up with for saying that "sending mails to the public list" is not a good idea. But this is an Open Source project, and transparency is very important. Lately this has been slipping away, which I think is very sad. To to get back to the point of the noise on the lists - it's getting out of hand, and I am afraid that if we don't solve this any time soon, the lists will be useless for any sort of decent discussion and promoting even more secret cults. regards, Derick