Re: dangerous handling of security bugs

From: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:22:12 +0000
Subject: Re: dangerous handling of security bugs
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Pierre Joye wrote:
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Larry Garfield<larry@garfieldtech.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 14 July 2010 03:22:30 pm Dirk Haun wrote:
Am 13.07.2010 um 17:12 Uhr schrieb Ferenc Kovacs:
it would be an interesting to check how many bugs were first marked as bogus then re-opened and fixed.
I've been wondering for a while now if much of the emotional reaction to bugs being closed as "bogus" is due to that very word. I mean, the reporter obviously put some work into the bug report and the issue was apparently important enough for them to even bother opening a bug report in the first place. And then, after all this effort, the verdict is that it's "bogus". Can't really think of a good alternative right now. But if a bug was closed with a more neutral "can't reproduce", "works as designed" or something like that then maybe there wouldn't be such strong reactions? Just an observation from the side lines ...
I'd have to agree. "Bugus" has an implication of "fake". As in, the submitter faked a bug report. That is rarely the intent, I'm sure. For the Drupal project (which I work on), our "no" issue statuses are "by design", "postponed", and "won't fix". (And of course duplicate.) I sometimes wonder if "won't fix" is even too negative sounding. It's amazing what a little wording can mean, especially to new contributors.
I fully agree. I'm one of the persons willing to kill this status. For "won't fix" I was thinking about "can't fix" instead (same result but w/explanations).
We are deep in the realms of language interpretation here ;) In my book ... "won't fix" implies "that is the way we do it and you live with it" --- equivalent to "by design" "can't fix" implies "for other reasons we can't change this" --- "postponed" may be appropriate if it is a good idea but requires other changes but I would think "wish list" is better? "work's for me" makes sense as long as it is applied to the case in the bug report and not just a different side case. --- "need more detail" may actually be more appropriate? BOGUS has always been wrong, but in the absence of an alternative ..... A slight aside is also the generally accepted practice of 'fixing' a bug and closing it as fixed straight away ... "to be tested" would be more appropriate so that a third party confirms that the fix does actually work and puts another pair of eyes and set-up environment in the loop? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php

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