Re: PHP 5 RC1

At 09:56 PM 11/11/2003 +0100, Georg Richter wrote:

I think the PHP 5 tree has matured a lot and it's time to release an RC. I think end of November or mid-December makes sense. I'd like to aim at the former date. thats too fast, or do you mean Nov/Dec. 2004? Why such a hurry? Shouldn't we have a feature freeze first and try to release a stable and powerful relea?se instead

Do you want to see PHP 5 in Nov/Dec 2004? I don't see a reason why to delay it for much longer. There are and always have been backlogs of features/bugs in the past and that didn't stop us from releasing. Except for a few minor issues the engine has been pretty much in a feature freeze. As far as I know, most of ext/ too. If we put an official feature freeze on the current tree, I think a few weeks is enough to go for an RC. If we find it's not enough and there are lots of very important bugs we can hold on the RC.

Are there any major (as in "major") issues which in your opinion still need to be dealt with? - MySql License fix (should be done within the next days)

This is a political problem and I don't think any PHP version, whether minor nor major, should wait for this. It's not my fault MySQL have been very slow to respond. And in any case, it's not as if we're stopping support for MySQL. On the contrary, it's extremely important and people will still be able to build it just like any other extension.

- Documentation most of new features aren't documented yet Zend2-API Documentation

Documentation has always lagged behind release. Stas wrote a short OBJECTS2_HOWTO but it needs lots of updating. Maybe you can con Marcus into adding his changes :)

- QA Only a few developers tested PHP5. We need a better qa

I don't think it's clear how many people have tested it. The fact is that I know people who have been using PHP 5 in semi-production environments already. Last time I wanted to check how many ppl downloaded beta 2 I couldn't find the stats because either I'm looking in the wrong place or someone broke the logger.

- DB Features pdo isn't ready yet lot of open points how to implement iterators, methods and properties.

Who said PDO is a PHP 5 feature? I think it's a nice initiative by Marcus but the release shouldn't be tied to one ext/ or another (except what's in ext/ historically). PHP development doesn't end with PHP 5 and definitely not with the RC. If/when PDO will be ready, it'll be ready, and possibly integrated into the standard distribution. Andi