Re: PHP as a template language

I should have said "breaking mysteriously in weird subtle ways if there are blank lines before <?php." On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Tom Boutell <tom@punkave.com> wrote: > Knock it off with the ad-hominem attacks please. It's not "change for > the sake of change" to propose that PHP move on from needing <?php at > the stop of every class file (and breaking mysteriously in weird > subtle ways if it's missing, due to unneeded whitespace being output) > and recognize that it's a modern language in which you don't mix > unparsed HTML with source code. Especially since I suggested offering > this feature when an alternate file extension is used, to make bc > possible. Your attitude discourages participation. > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote: >> what exactly is your problem? >> having solution searching problem? >> >> what are people like you try to achieve? >> what would make you happy in breaking BC? >> what would you make happy generate lot of work for others? >> what would be better for anybody? >> >> change for the sake of the change is blindly stupid >> >> Am 06.04.2012 23:20, schrieb Tom Boutell: >>> To tell the truth I'd be more excited by a proposal to kill <?php >>> entirely, or more realistically, to support an alternate file >>> extension that doesn't need it. That would be an interesting option >>> for those who want to put "dribs and drabs of PHP sprinkled in HTML" >>> completely behind them. >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Tom Boutell <tom@punkave.com> wrote: >>>> I have to agree with that. Also: does PHP need to be a templating >>>> language anymore, given excellent templating language implementations >>>> in PHP, like Twig? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, John Crenshaw <johncrenshaw@priacta.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Sébatien Durand [mailto:sunseb@live.com] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:55 PM >>>>>> To: internals@lists.php.net >>>>>> Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO, PHP is a great template language. This is what makes it so simple and >>>>>> powerful, compared to other web languages. >>>>>> >>>>>> So far, we have "<?php", "<?=" and various legacy >>>>>> syntaxes like "<?". >>>>>> >>>>>> A suggestion : deprecate these old tags and replace them with a more >>>>>> elegant and a shorter implementation. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example : "<%" and "<%=" or "{%" >>>>>> and "{{" ? >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think, guys ? >>>>> >>>>> Honestly this is the wrong question. PHP as a template language has much larger >>>>> problems than this. The difference between <?php echo and <?= is 7 characters and entirely >>>>> cosmetic. The difference relative to <?php echo htmlentities(..., ENT_QUOTES | ENT_HTML5, >>>>> 'UTF-8'); ?> however is 56 characters, security, and encoding bugs. >>>>> >>>>> Proper handling of output escaping is standard in modern template languages. >>>>> The question shouldn't be "should we add a cooler short tag?". The question should be >>>>> "What needs to be done to make PHP an industry leader in template languages again?". >>>>> >>>>> My two cents, >>>>> >>>>> John Crenshaw >>>>> Priacta, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >>>>> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tom Boutell >>>> P'unk Avenue >>>> 215 755 1330 >>>> punkave.com >>>> window.punkave.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Mit besten Grüßen, Reindl Harald >> the lounge interactive design GmbH >> A-1060 Vienna, Hofmühlgasse 17 >> CTO / software-development / cms-solutions >> p: +43 (1) 595 3999 33, m: +43 (676) 40 221 40 >> icq: 154546673, http://www.thelounge.net/ >> >> http://www.thelounge.net/signature.asc.what.htm >> > > > > -- > Tom Boutell > P'unk Avenue > 215 755 1330 > punkave.com > window.punkave.com -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com