Re: Re: cvs: php4 / CODING_STANDARDS

At 17:19 05.04.2003, Sterling Hughes wrote:

At 13:51 05.04.2003, Marcus Börger wrote:

At 19:01 04.04.2003, Sterling Hughes wrote:

sterling                Fri Apr  4 12:01:10 2003 EDT

Modified files:

   /php4       CODING_STANDARDS

Log: both these entries are bad, and were never agreed upon. assert() usage is a controversial concept at best. docref() is something quite a few of us strong disagree with. suspending this until further discussion.

You crazy? We had lots of discussion, it is already in the NEWS we did much work to convert all calls and all known problems are solved.

Ok, lets be professional (sorry for shouting). The idea behind this feature is making newbies and not so expirienced developer's life easier. It is one of those things that help the users. You must not use it if you do not like it and it no defaults to be unused. So there shouldn't be much more of this idiotic bug-reports or mails. By the way how many were there, 2? Will we remove streams support because we are getting endless bugreports and failed test reports and emails? Things have changed since then. We are not removing docref, we just aren't making it a coding standard. It doesn't bode well when sascha, myself, rasmus, derick, jani and quite a few others are actively *against* this feature, but to make it a coding standard with this much opposition borders on ridiculous.

I had a little discussion with Derick about the issue: [16:30] <helly> do you understand that "backfired" argument? [16:31] <Derick_> yeah [16:32] <Derick_> the docref thing caused a lot of weird questions to webmaster@ [16:32] <Derick_> people threatening to sue and stuff [16:33] <helly> was there really a lot? i only heared of two, and it should be over by now (or end with next version) [16:33] <Derick_> atleast 10 [16:33] <Derick_> it's the users of the sites [16:33] <Derick_> if an errors shows, they click through [16:33] <Derick_> and find php.net [16:33] <Derick_> and blame us [16:34] <helly> yes i know those dummies (actually in my old company we had a customer asking for the any-key, i couldn't believe the joke before) [16:34] <Derick_> so yes, I think we should disable it by default [16:34] <helly> yeah and it is disabled by now [16:34] <Derick_> good [16:36] <helly> and it even defaults to something local and an explanation on how to download the manual in the correct place [16:36] <Derick_> oh really? [16:36] <Derick_> I missed that [16:37] <helly> THAT was my biggest fault about the issue, i should have done it this way from the beginning, but unfortunately i did the easy way [16:38] <Derick_> yeah, guesso Actually i can only repeat my excuses for being lazy and doing the easy solution! However we now have a thing which helps our users (as i think very much) and which does not backfire to as as soon as new version is out of doors. Another thing i am questioning myself is why is this so special so bad? We have other things which drive more stupid mails to us...will we remove all of them? regards marcus