Re: On BC and not being evil (Was: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Integer Semantics)

On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Marc Bennewitz wrote: > On 21.08.2014 17:30, Derick Rethans wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2014, Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Andrea Faulds <ajf@ajf.me> wrote: > > > > > > > I have made an RFC which would make some small changes to how integers > > > > are handled, targeted at PHP 7: > > > > > > > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/integer_semantics > > > > > > > > Thoughts and questions are appreciated. Thanks! > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > And since you're targetting the next major release, BC isn't an issue. <snip> > > Can I please urge people to not take Backwards Compatibility issues so > > lightly. Please think really careful when you suggest to break Backwards > > Compatibility, it should only be considered if there is a real and > > important reason to do so. Changing binary comparison is not one of those, > > changing behaviour for everybody regarding `<<;“‚ > > øF–=ûµ“3ô and >>` is not one of > > those, and subtle changes to what syntax means is certainly not one of > > them. <snip> > I'm on you if you say "Please think really careful when you suggest to break > Backwards Compatibility". It's very important in so much ways. *BUT* you are > very unlikely in the cost of the 2 RFCs. The "cost"? > First I don't see an comment of you in the Binary String Comparison > RFC and I think you should do your misgivings there instead of wring > this untopic. Each BC break should be discussed carefully by it's own! Because it's not worth my time. I don't feel it necessary to comment if so many people already have spoken out against it: Julien[1], Sara[2], Rasmus[3], Adrian[4], Johannes[5]. Frankly, I don't understand why you haven't given up on this as nobody has shown support. [1] http://news.php.net/php.internals/76639 [2] http://news.php.net/php.internals/76613 [3] http://news.php.net/php.internals/76615 [4] http://news.php.net/php.internals/76614 [5] http://news.php.net/php.internals/76658 cheers, Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug Posted with an email client that doesn't mangle email: alpine