Re: Looking (not very far) ahead to PHP 7.1

Hello Everyone, Remember the ??=. I had a faulty implementation and after that a serious surgery and I did not have the time to update my implementation. I am OK now but what should I do with my RFC? Can somebody implement it or should I move forward with the implementation. What do you guys say? What is your advice? Best wishes. Midori Kocak Computer Scientist & Engineer http://www.mynameismidori.com <http://www.mynameismidori.com/> “The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science.” Albert Einstein > On 06 May 2016, at 09:25, Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org > <mailto:pthreads@pthreads.org>> wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org > <mailto:pthreads@pthreads.org>> > Date: Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Looking (not very far) ahead to PHP 7.1 > To: Björn Larsson <bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com <` > ��K�z���:�pZ�mailto:bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com>> > Cc: Davey Shafik <davey@php.net > <mailto:davey@php.net>> > > > Morning, > > PHP 5 has been with us for a long time, towards the end of it's life, it > didn't make much sense to have protracted pre-release periods. > > PHP 7 has been with us for no time at all, about 5 minutes; It still > creates a fair amount of core (/Zend) bugs, and there are only a few people > who are able, or who bother, to search for and or resolve such bugs. > > An RFC does not *need* to be accompanied by an implementation (for some > reason), so we can't very well say "no more RFC after X". All we are > concerned about is the implementation that accompanies the RFC. > > Everyone should move forward with their RFC, and voting, in the > knowledge that if the implementation is not ready for Beta 1, it's too > late. > > Worth noting that we're only really talking about the feature kind of > RFC: If some internal problem is found that requires an RFC discussion to > resolve and choose a solution for, no problem - that's what we should be > doing at this point. > > We don't really need to be any more restrictive than that. > > I quite often supply patches for RFC discussions, I get that it's > annoying for someone to say "staph". I get that 7 is shiny, it's easy to > implement complex features, I get that we all waited a long time for such a > platform. > > I also get that 7.2 is going to be a thing :) > > Cheers > Joe > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Björn Larsson <bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com > <mailto:bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com>> > wrote: > >> Ok, well I guess there is always room to change at alpha1 when >> all RFC's should be on the table. Agree that 7.1 looks like a busy >> release :-) >> >> I mean, earlier (5.6 & maybe also 7.0) no new RFC's introduced >> after alpha1 and voting closed by first beta. Same strategy in 7.1? >> Cheers //Björn >> >> >> Den 2016-05-05 kl. 22:53, skrev Davey Shafik: >> >> Bjorn, >> >> I had the same suggestion, but Joe has convinced me that due to the amount >> and extent of changes we'd rather have more than we need, than too few! >> >> - Davey >> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Björn Larsson <bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com >> <mailto:bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com>> >> wrote: >> >>> Aha, I see & tnx. It's not on the front-page so I missed it. >>> >>> One reflection is that you have similar amount of >>> alpha / beta / RC steps like for 7.0 that was a major >>> release. Looking at todo lists on 5.x. the numbers of >>> steps are smaller. On the other hand 7.1 seems like >>> a busy release with typed properties etc >>> >>> Just my 5c... >>> >>> Cheers //Björn >>> Den 2016-05-05 kl. 22:36, skrev Davey Shafik: >>> >>> The same one used for the vote is where we are currently working. Nothing >>> is set in stone yet! >>> >>> https://wiki.php.net/todo/php71 >>> <https://wiki.php.net/todo/php71> >>> >>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Björn Larsson < >>> <bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com>bjorn.x.larsson@telia.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Short question, will you make a todolist like for 7.0 on: >>>> - https://wiki.php.net/todo >>>> >>>> And good luck with the work as RMs! Already looking >>>> forward to 7.1 with some exciting content. >>>> >>>> Regards //Björn Larsson >>>> >>>> >>>> Den 2016-05-05 kl. 18:26, skrev Joe Watkins: >>>> >>>>> Afternoon internals, >>>>> >>>>> We are hoping for alpha 1 to be available on June 9th, this is a >>>>> little >>>>> over 5 weeks away. >>>>> >>>>> Beta 1 (~1 month after alpha 1) on July 7th will be our feature >>>>> freeze >>>>> date - no new RFC's can target 7.1 after this date. >>>>> >>>>> PHP 7.1 has many things targeting it at the moment, some >>>>> overlapping, >>>>> all of them in various states. >>>>> >>>>> So that the dust is allowed to settle during beta phase, we need to >>>>> insist that anything that does not have an implementation by the time >>>>> beta >>>>> 1 comes be pushed back to 7.2. >>>>> >>>>> If you are working on a core (/Zend) feature right now, especially >>>>> draft (unannounced) features, and are targeting 7.1, as a matter of >>>>> courtesy (not requirement), I'd like to ask you to move forward, >>>>> post-haste. It would be good (although not required) if we could get >>>>> /Zend >>>>> stuff merged before alpha 1 ... I realize this may be a pipe dream. I'm >>>>> new >>>>> at this, and still have dreams ... >>>>> >>>>> TL:DR, dates for diary: >>>>> >>>>> Alpha 1 June 9th >>>>> Beta 1 (freeze) July 7th >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >>