Re: [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle

"Ferenc Kovacs" wrote in message news:CAH-PCH5gu6Fz2wQU+n0J7MEGj9=wqR_UmxOd1BhQWriJ=2Jv1w@mail.gmail.com...

2016. szept. 9. 10:44 ezt írta ("Tony Marston" <tonymarston@hotmail.com>):

Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 9:35 AM

To: Tony Marston Cc: PHP Internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with composer/pickle Please point out to me any words I have used which a reasonable person would class as "abusive". "Incorrect. There is a web interface which I use EXCLUSIVELY to maintain the contents of my PEAR library. Any proposed replacement which does not have a web interface I'm afraid is totally unacceptable. Command line interfaces went out of fashion when the Windows OS was first released, and anyone who still insists on using one has not joined the rest of the world in the 21st century."

Where are the words in that statement that a reasonable person would describe as "abusive"? You seem to think that any opinion which differs from yours is wrong, and you try to dismiss that opinion by classing it as "abusive". I'm afraid this lack of tolerance for different opinions is becoming more and more prevalent in this forum, and I fear it will have a detrimental effect on the whole PHP ecosystem.

I repeat, show me any personal insults in what I wrote. All I see are

“fair comments”.

you inject your subjective opinion/anecdotal evidence as an objective fact

Just like everyone else who says "nobody I know uses such-and-such feature, so we should remove it"

and trying to kill the discussion instead of contributing to it.

Oh, I see. I am only allowed to comment on an RFC if I am for it? Who elected you as emperor? <snip>

"Just because SOME people still like using a command line interface does not mean that they can force everyone else to use it. If any piece of 21st century does not come with a web/GUI interface it just shows that the author is still living in the past and is incapable of serving the needs of today's users."

first you are arguing in bad faith (eg. that anybody/everybody here is trying to sabotage those who would prefer a gui over a command line), then you start namecalling

Where is this "namecalling"? Where are the instances of "idiot" or "moron"?

those who would prefer command line over gui (which is btw. plain wrong in the age of configuration management and immutable deployment where being able to have automated and reproducible deployments is a key)

I repeat, show me any personal insults in what I wrote. All I see are “fair comments”. -- Tony Marston

Your original request was "Please point out to me any words I have used which a reasonable person would class as "abusive".",

now you are moving the goalpost to personal insults (which for the record

Where is the personal insult in what I wrote? Where did I write "you are an idiot" or "you are a moron"?

still happened when calling people living in the past and such for using cli tools), which again shows that you are arguing in bad faith.

That is a valid opinion. Consider the fact that the Windows operating system was only accepted by large numbers of users as it had a "modern" GUI and not a command line interface. You try and release a new piece of software to users that does not have a GUI or web interface and they will ignore it in droves. Just because SOME people like CLI does not give them the right to force it upon the rest of the world. Most users are much happier with a GUI than CLI, so not providing a "modern" interface is showing disrespect to those users. -- Tony Marston