Re: Resolving the PEAR Group election tie

On 5/1/07, Greg Beaver <greg@chiaraquartet.net> wrote:

Hi, Congratulations to the newly elected PEAR Group members, this will be an exciting time as PEAR moves forward.

Very :)

I regret that the constitution as accepted does not have a system in place to resolve ties in the election - I did not anticipate this problem. Murphy is of course always around to remind us that whatever can go wrong will go wrong. Fortunately, the constitution DOES prescribe what to do in order to make a decision on this matter. We need to amend the constitution to proscribe how to solve this issue. Amending the constitution is done by a vote of 2/3 of the PEAR Group. The constitution says 5 of 7 are required. Fortunately, 2/3 of 8 = 5 1/3 so rounding says 5 of 8 are required to amend the constitution. So, as my first act as elected president, I must recommend that the elected PEAR group convene (all 8 of them)via email and amend the constitution to describe how to resolve a tie in elections. I see 4 options 1) a run-off election between Justin and Paul 2) an intra-PEAR Group election 3) keep the current membership and amend the constitution for the next election 1 year from now, and add a provision for tie breaks to the constitution. 4) Either Justin or Paul steps down I am personally wary of #2, as this seems against the spirit of the new government, where the larger developer population makes the choice of who will represent them, so I encourage the PEAR Group to discard #2 as a viable option, and instead investigate #1 or #3.

Point 2 is not well explained, do you mean an intra-pear-group decision to decide who is to stay between Justin and Paul ? Or you mean and intra-pear-group election to decide which members stay ? If it's an intra-pear-group election to decide which of the two should either stay or go, I'm pretty much for it, however after thinking this whole issue over today I thought about keeping both members (being a team of 8) with the president as a tie breaker in case of 4 votes for a subject against 4 and I believe this is simply overhead. I am in favor of letting the pear-group run a small election (let the group decide) but I am against the fact that the president makes a choice that we then say if we like or not. I believe this is an issue the pear-group has to take care of. +1 for inner-pear-group decision. However one point that remains in place, we _need_ to make a small run-off elections becuase that is simply the most official way of doing it without having complains. I am therefore suggesting that we run a small election (1 day) to decide on the last member. Greg, do you know if it is possible to only have auth_user('pear.group'); to be able to vote on pearweb atm ? I will also take a look at that tonight and if it's not done I will implement it on pearweb so we can start some elections soon. Of course, the best way to avoid that election, would be that the two parties (Paul and Justin) agree to run a small election email-based. That would simplify many things imho. The idea of the email election would be that the 6 elected pear-group members could send their choice to our president which he would compile and announce. That is, I believe, a very clean and fair way of doing it. Rest of the group.. what you think ? Justin ? Paul ? You agree on having an email-election ?

However, as I do not have the actual power to make any legislative decisions, I will happily sit back and watch the PEAR Group in its first significant action. I will not veto anything you decide on this issue. I am very interested to see what the decision will be, good luck :) Based on my experience working with both, I am sure that Justin and Paul are equally qualified for the job, which makes choosing quite difficult. In fact, I found choosing between all 13 candidates to be one of the more difficult choices I've had to make. Thanks, Greg P.S. I'm on a bus at the moment, just passed a sign for Sidney, Nebraska. It's not going to be possible for me to take any sweeping action until the Nebraska tour is over, but Martin has the capability to set up stuff as needed.cap -- PEAR Development Mailing List (http://pear.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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