Re: Re[2]: [PHP-PEAR] Re: [phplib] Re: [PHP-PEAR] PHPLib and Pear merge

[Maxim Derkachev <kot@books.ru>] > Hello Stig, > > Saturday, March 10, 2001, 1:56:36 AM, you wrote: > > SSB> Why is PEAR DB unusable for you? > > I organized my thoughts some way in the previous letter (to > Sebastian). In short, it is slow. And, I believe, it is slow not > because of bad implementation (You've done hard work to make it as > clean as possible), but because of wrong design approach. This design > would be great in C++ environment or such, but PHP is still an > interpreter, has poor OO support, and overuse of heavy OO structures > here hurts it badly. I believe that PHP in its current state simple > can not handle such a complex structure fast enough to compete with > PHPLib's DB_Sql (which I currently use). Maybe someday PHP will > handle it, then someday my current assumptions could be proved to be > wrong (I'd be happy :)). But we leave in the real world and I need my > projects to work fast just now. Well, we'll just have to rewrite DB to C then (not kidding). > SSB> PEAR is a repository, but we also aim to keep the overlap in > SSB>functionality at a minimum. > > I suppose that is because of hope that PEAR will always be distributed > along with every version of PHP. I do think it is wrong idea. If PEAR > succeed, there would be a lot of stuff. The PHP distro in this case > would be rather too large to download it. I doubt I would like to > fetch all the stuff with every release. I doubt that there are many > that would like it. How many perl developers you know, who install the > whole stuff from the current CPAN? I suppose that a good interfaces to > PEAR archives (like in CPAN system) will do the work better rather to > include PEAR classes in the main PHP distro. The idea of including > PEAR in the PHP distro would work fine only on the early stages of > PEAR development, while it is small (like now), just to popularize > PEAR. Only small parts of PEAR will always be distributed with PHP. Just like Perl. The rest has to be installed with the "pear" command-line tool or maybe with a PHP-Gtk installer (I bet someone is going to write one). - Stig -- Stig Sæther Bakken <ssb@fast.no> Fast Search & Transfer ASA, Trondheim, Norway