Re: Re: Bug #17106 Updated: Session variable disappears
| From: | Rasmus Lerdorf | Date: | Tue, 14 May 2002 07:10:33 +0000 |
| Subject: | Re: Re: Bug #17106 Updated: Session variable disappears | ||
| References: | 1 | Groups: | php.qa |
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Well, it is great that you understand it 100% but you have to realize you
are basically a second-class citizen when it comes to support from the
open source community. We try to do our best for Windows users, but most
of our resources and most of the people who volunteer their time and
effort are UNIX-oriented folks. So by sheer numbers of eyes looking at
problems and sitting down and fixing them, the UNIX version of PHP is
likely always to be fixed quicker, more stable and more reliable.
The price you pay for the pointy-clickety feel-good experience you have
with your Windows box...
If more really experienced Windows developers would volunteer their time
to help out, that could change. We don't actively try to make the Windows
version less stable.
-Rasmus
On Tue, 14 May 2002, DVD Plaza (Support) wrote:
> Hehehe!!!! I know what you mean, but rest assurred we aren't using IIS we use Apache.
>
> The reason for this is quite simple - I know NT inside out. I admire UNIX and I'd love to
> be using it (I have some background in it), but I 100% throughly understand NT. Thus if I build a
> UNIX server I'd only be able to 40% properly set it up, and if I ran into problems probably
> couldn't even fix it. Windows 2000 on the other hand I have fully tweaked and secured in more
> ways than anyone could possibly imagine, and have customised/tailored my setup something chronic. I
> fully know and understand that setup and thus am fully capable of
> administrating/securing/troubleshooting it - I've done everything from building the hardware to
> installing the software to tweaking her up to writing the scripts to writing applications that help
> to automatically maintain/administrate the system.
>
> >From there I then run REAL software - Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc. I'm really really
> >happy with the setup, though Apache 1.3.x had begun to become a little unreliable over the past 6
> >months due to our traffic loads - whereas now that we're using Apache 2.0.36 she is back to her
> >awesome self again. I know Apache 2 isn't officially recommended by PHP yet, but we get far
> >better performance and stability using Apache 2 than Apache 1 so it's definitely worthwhile for
> >us! :)
>
> Hope this helps - and I'd also like to apologise for my tone in my bug post, I was venting
> frustration at my problem it was in no way directed at any of you guys.
>
> Chris Till, Proprietor
> DVD Plaza - www.dvdplaza.com.au
> Message sent via Pocket PC, more detailed response may follow at later time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Rasmus Lerdorf"<rasmus@lerdorf.ca>
> >Sent: 14/05/02 4:02:11 PM
> >To: "Derick Rethans"<d.rethans@jdimedia.nl>
> >Cc: "DVD Plaza (Chris)"<chris@dvdplaza.com.au>, "PHP Quality
> >Assurance Team Mailing List"<php-qa@lists.php.net>
> >Subject: Re: [PHP-QA] Re: Bug #17106 Updated: Session variable disappears
> >All I can say is why in the world are you running such a busy site on a
> >Windows box?
> >
> >On Tue, 14 May 2002, Derick Rethans wrote:
> >
> >> On 14 May 2002 chris@dvdplaza.com.au wrote:
> >>
> >> > ID: 17106
> >> > Updated by: chris@dvdplaza.com.au
> >> > Reported By: Lee.Seldon@infotech.monash.edu.au
> >> > Status: Open
> >> > Bug Type: Session related
> >> > Operating System: Win98, Win2000 Pro
> >> > PHP Version: 4.1.2
> >> > New Comment:
> >> >
> >> > For f#cks sake, we STILL have this damn problem under 4.2.1 as well.
> >> > This is really starting to p#ss me off - we generate a HUGE amount of
> >> > traffic, one of the top ten movie related sites in this country, and
> >> > this session problem is causing viewers to constantly reload pages so
> >> > that their bloody cookie logs them in - thus our bandwidth is shooting
> >> > through the bloody roof (read $$$$$$$$$ down the toilet)...
> >>
> >> Erm, we are volunteers. If we feel like getting deeper into it, we do.
> >> If we don't feel like it, we don't. And instead of shouting at us
> >> developers here you could also try to figure out exactly what is wrong
> >> instead of your simple 'it doesn't work'. It would help if you could
> >> provide a SHORT and selfcontained script for us to test with.
> >>
> >> Derick
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Previous Comments:
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > [2002-05-13 20:32:50] Lee.Seldon@infotech.monash.edu.au
> >> >
> >> > The last version for which this script works on all my tested platforms
> >> > (Win98-Win2000, Apache1.3.22, Netscape 4.75) is 4.0.6. Using the
> >> > php4xx-installer.exe for MS Windows.
> >> > Also note that 4.0.6 does NOT register PHP in the MS Win registry,
> >> > whereas versions >= 4.1.0 DO register it. Could the registry be causing
> >> > problems with session variables? Just a question from an un-initiated
> >> > user.
> >> > Lee
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > [2002-05-13 19:28:07] Lee.Seldon@infotech.monash.edu.au
> >> >
> >> > 14 May 2002
> >> > PHP 4.2.1, all other settings as before
> >> > Same behavior as 4.2.0 - on "submit" the login prompt immediately
> >> > re-appears. So has NOT been fixed.
> >> > The last version for which this script works is 4.1.0
> >> > Lee
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > [2002-05-09 01:34:57] chris@dvdplaza.com.au
> >> >
> >> > I found the following on Zend's site:
> >> > ----
> >> > FIX: 4.2.0 session SID broken
> >> > Sascha Schumann has posted a fix for problems with the session SID
> >> > under 4.2.0. If you need it immediately, the fix can be found at
> >> > http://apache.org/~sascha/php-420-session-fix,
> >> > or will be available in
> >> > 4.2.1 along with the other fixes since 4.2.0.
> >> > ----
> >> > Sounds like it may resolve the issue we're having???
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > [2002-05-08 22:18:00] Lee.Seldon@infotech.monash.edu.au
> >> >
> >> > Sequence of tests:
> >> > originally running php4.1.0
> >> > Un-installed that, installed php4.2.0 - found bug.
> >> > Un-installed php4.2.0, installed php4.1.2 - still bug.
> >> > Same behavior if Apache/php and Netscape on same machine (using
> >> > 127.0.0.1 or localhost) or on different machines with different users.
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > [2002-05-08 20:23:43] chris@dvdplaza.com.au
> >> >
> >> > When it fails under PHP 4.1.2, does it fail for ALL users or just SOME
> >> > users? We've been having sheer hell since upgrading to PHP 4.2 with
> >> > exactly this - SOME people are having severe intermittent problems with
> >> > reading cookies (ie sometimes they'll login okay, other times they keep
> >> > being asked to login), others (such as myself) have no problem
> >> > what-so-ever.
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > The remainder of the comments for this report are too long. To view
> >> > the rest of the comments, please view the bug report online at
> >> > http://bugs.php.net/17106
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Edit this bug report at
> >> > http://bugs.php.net/?id=17106&edit=1
> >> >
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Derick Rethans
> >> http://www.jdimedia.nl/derick/
> >> JDI Media Solutions *>ŒPm
> >> ´s«