Re: Re: [PHP Wiki] new user: fabpot

Maybe the time has come for the adoption of some actual bylaws which succintly state who merits voting privileges and who may propose an RFC. If one reads 2.II.a of https://wiki.php.net/rfc/howto, that document indicates that the ability to propose an RFC does not automatically confer one with voting privileges, but the document is informational and and lacks the binding authority of an official bylaws. I respectfully suggest the adoption of bylaws so that it should be abundantly clear to every PHP user and contributor as to what rights each repectively has. SL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyra3l@gmail.com> To: "Hannes Magnusson" <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> Cc: "Pierre Joye" <pierre.php@gmail.com>; "PHP Development" <internals@lists.php.net>; "Johannes Schlüter" <johannes@schlueters.de>; "PHP Webmaster ML" <php-webmaster@lists.php.net>; "Peter Cowburn" <salathe@php.net>; "PHP Webmaster" <webmaster@php.net>; "Fabien Potencier" <fabien.potencier@gmail.com>; "Derick Rethans" <derick@php.net> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-WEBMASTER] Re: [PHP Wiki] new user: fabpot 2013.03.01. 22:52, "Hannes Magnusson" <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> ezt írta:

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Johannes Schlüter <johannes@schlueters.de> wrote: Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:

Exactly, this random apply rules nonsense needs to stop. I have nothing against Fabien voting but there is nowhere written who can vote or not (no, the voting RFC is too vague as well). I for one, would like to see a much stricter list of people who can vote.

I often wonder about many names on the list of voters, there are names I have never seen ... which is really weird in my opinion. Either make it open for everybody and his dog or make a clear restriction. Currently the easiest way to get voting karma is to say you'll be creating an RFC, as anyone with karma in that namespace can automatically vote because votes happen in that namespace. Anyones mother can create a RFC (and therefore vote on anything), but if you just want to vote then you need to get approval from internals@. That voting RFC is btw really weird, I don't know how it got accepted. "People with php.net SVN accounts that have contributed code to PHP" is particularly funny as it disqualifies everyone working on docs, websites, infrastructure and whatnot (we don't however have separate roles for your karma level, so anyone with VCS account has full wiki privileges and can therefore vote). And considering the next part: "Representatives from the PHP community, that will be chosen by those with php.net SVN accounts" Is even more awesome, as the people working on docs, websites and infrastructure can choose those community representatives - without being able to vote themselves. All they have to do is "I now pronounce you community representative. Hurray!" I like the old approach better. When no clear consensus were reached, we would vote. Anyone in the world could vote on the mailinglist, and votes were creatively interpreted grouping people with karma vs community. Doing the same with polling is however difficult. Its a whole lot easier to

spot fraud emails then it is to spot people signing up with multiple wiki accounts with the intentions of skewing the results. -Hannes

only people with people with php.net accounts or with manually granted voting wiki group membership can vote. I have no idea who or on what ground can hand out voting ground membership, last time when somebody requested that (William, lead of propel) went unanswered. this is how currently the wiki voting works.