Re: com web/php: Adding in announcement for php[cruise]: archive/archive.xml archive/entries/2015-12-04-1.xml images/news/phpcruise.2015.png

On 7 December 2015 at 14:24, Eli <eli@eliw.com> wrote: > Hey Hannes, thanks for the response ... but I'm a bit confused ... read on: > > > That mere hours after a major release and what will become historic > > release > > I'm glad that you are concerned about this. As it's a very important > point. However, please note that absolutely no "evil plan" existed for > me to attempt to hijack the php7 news. > > This was just a bullet item of 'something I need to do' that was on my > todo list and I got around to finally a few weeks after php[world]. I > honestly hadn't even thought about the timing at all. > > > you overwrite your own conference as the top entry so the > > major release announcement gets hidden away. > > So here is where I'm extremely confused. How does a new conference > entry "hide away" the php7 announcement? > > They are displayed on completely different pages. PHP7 shows up on the > homepage. The conference announcements show up on /conferences/ only. > Which was a change specifically made many years ago to make sure that > conference announcements didn't affect the homepage. > > So - How exactly does a new conference announcement happen to hide away > the launch? I'm honestly-100%-confused here. > The different types of news entries do appear on the same page. The permalink for the PHP 7.0.0 news entry is http://php.net/archive/2015.php#id2015-12-03-1 and that page also shows conference announcements and calls for papers. The PHP 7.0.0 news entry is currently getting prime position at the top of the page, and I for one would like that to remain the case at least for a little while longer. > > > I'd be great if you could still help the rest of the smaller > > conferences that ask to be listed more actively though. It does matter > > to them a great deal to be listed as early as possible, not a week or > > two or even a month later. > > First of all: I have been, to the best of my ability with workload and > family. I also seem to be one-of-a-few who publish the 'unapproved > events'. It would be nice if volunteers were allowed to do so, and > volunteer to the best of their ability. Without a constant nag of: "You > aren't volunteering well enough." > > Secondly: Just as a note. You refer to the 'smaller conferences' as > needing help. Though in practice many of those smaller conferences are > actually bigger than the ones I run. Just sharing there. And yes, they > happen to compete in said space. But I volunteer here, and help out, > because it's for the good of the community. That's the whole reason I > do everything that I do :-D -- Trust me, I wouldn't be doing this job > at horrible pay if it wasn't for that ;) > > > You may put this as the second entry in archive.xml, but you will not > > be the top entry during the initial hours, or first few days of the > > release. > > It is entirely inappropriate for anything to hijack this announcement. > > Visiting http://php.net/foobar should result in the PHP7 > > announcement, > > not link to your day job. > > Again, completely confused as to how putting a conference announcement > hijacks anything. They don't appear on the homepage. > > > This has been very consistent behaviour over the years by conference > > organizers, and I understand that you all try to time your > > announcements during peak visiting hours to php.net > > I can't speak for anyone else. But for myself. I've never once tried > to time an announcement with php.net details. I simply don't have the > mental bandwidth to attempt to do something like that. I'm struggling > just to get my normal daily activities done as it is. I push in > announcements for my conferences when it's 'time to do so'. Regardless > of any php.net news. Of which I'm usually behind on anyway (for same > reason). > > So please let me know/understand how a conference announcement somehow > buries a PHP announcement, when the conference announcements don't > appear on the homepage anyway.... > > And let me know when you feel it's appropriate to put something in ... I > have an Early Bird ending and want to make sure people know about it, to > quell the tide of "Ooops I didn't know can I get the EB rate anyway" > emails in January. > > Thanks Hannes, > Eli > > > -- > | Eli White | http://eliw.com/ | Twitter: EliW | > > >