Re: PHP Logo on Wikipedia

Hey all. I actually am still around, just not active in the php-webmaster group. :) A few things that I’ll point out: 1) The image currently displayed at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PHP_Logo.png <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PHP_Logo.png> is most definitely not the PHP logo. This one https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PHP-logo.svg <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PHP-logo.svg> is the official one, but it’s an earlier version (before the spacing between the “h” and second “p” was tweaked). 2) Looking again, the EPS file at http://php.net/download-logos.php <http://php.net/download-logos.php> is also the older version. I can dig up the correct one and make a PR request to put it on php.net. I can make a SVG version as well and, if the current webmaster team approves, I think we could remove all the alternate formats on that page … i.e. the “powered by” badges, file icon files, GIFs and TIFs. An SVG, a large PNG and and JPG should be enough for anyone. 3) I have never “legally” transferred trademark, copyright, or ownership in the logo to the PHP Group (as I have with the Open Source Initiative logo I also created). I’m happy to do so, and can even use the OSI letter their lawyers drafted as a template. 4) I’ve always operated under the assumption that usage of the PHP logo is explained (in plain-English terms) on the website: - if you want to make money from putting the logo on merchandise, contact group@php.net - for any other use, you can use it as you wish as long as you aren’t suggesting that the PHP group isn’t endorsing your product/service, etc. I’m happy to discuss any of this further, but honestly .. if Wikimedia wants to use the official logo (the SVG from the second link above), I don’t see what the issue is. - Colin > On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Hannes Magnusson <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't know what that means. > > What exactly are you proposing? > I guess you can talk to Levi regarding that svg, but he has no claim > on the logo, and Colin hasn't been around for well over a decade. > > I imagine legally we need him to state that he forfeits any claims on > the logo and gives it to the PHP project. He actually has very > formally explicitly claimed otherwise, per his statements in commit > logs, website notes and elePHPant adventures. > He might even have a case to sue the PHP project itself for bundling > the logo as I can't find any records of him expressively allowing us > doing so, even though he commit some of the easter eggs himself. > > So what exactly are you looking for? Trying to stir shit up? Playing > pretend lawyers? > What is the end goal here? > > -Hannes > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Webysther Nunes <webysther@gmail.com> wrote: >> OK. I made the change today in Wikipedia. :) >> >> Is possible in future submit a PR to make this better? Color information, >> formats, license and etc? >> >> >> Em qui, 21 de abr de 2016 02:27, Hannes Magnusson >> <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> escreveu: >>> >>> The logo isn't licensed under any CC license. >>> As I linked above, the license text hasn't changed since it was >>> created, 15 years ago: >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/php/web-php/commit/6afea913d6600dec355564b59d27990fa230fc97 >>> (Colin Viebrock is the original author). >>> >>> >>> As long as you aren't profiting off the logo, or intentionally making >>> it look like the PHP project is involved with whatever project/product >>> it is used to, the use is fine. >>> >>> For commercial things, its complicated. Lots of people sell >>> merchandise with the php logo, and the logos@ alias was removed >>> ~decade ago. >>> >>> >>> -Hannes >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Webysther Nunes <webysther@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> We can use a SVG and say that it is geometric information but states >>>> that >>>> may be under copyright. My concern is to add a logo and need to remove >>>> all >>>> if someone claim the copyright, for example, if the logo was on a page >>>> on >>>> php.net as CC-BY-SA could put the URL as a source and use safely. My >>>> fear is >>>> to not bring harm to anyone. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Webysther Nunes >>>> >>>> >>>> Em qua, 20 de abr de 2016 22:44, Hannes Magnusson >>>> <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> http://php.net/download-logos.php >>>>> >>>>> Logo license wasn't a thing when it was created, so it has a "custom >>>>> license". >>>>> I can't imagine a way wikipedia could be breaking that license as >>>>> mentioned on the above page. >>>>> >>>>> If you can describe in a sentence what you are worried about I can >>>>> give you a definitive yes/no if that helps. >>>>> >>>>> -Hannes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Webysther Nunes <webysther@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Great, we use this one with possible restrictions. You know who >>>>>> create >>>>>> the >>>>>> first one logo? >>>>>> >>>>>> If you do not know, we can do something else. If a group leader can >>>>>> release >>>>>> as creative commons through an email that I can provide, you can >>>>>> distribute >>>>>> more widely the use of the logo only. I can provide more information >>>>>> about >>>>>> how this type of license, just let me know if you need to. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Webs >>>>>> >>>>>> Em ter, 19 de abr de 2016 19:47, Levi Morrison >>>>>> <morrison.levi@gmail.com> >>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Webysther Nunes >>>>>>> <webysther@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I volunteer in Wikipedia and realized I do not have a logo PHP SVG >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> no license to use, I wonder if someone could help us to provide >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> SVG and a license for unrestricted use. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Category on Wikimedia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:PHP_icons (is possible >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> create a new and better one) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mostly used logos: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PHP-logo.svg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PHP_Logo.png >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not good enough, about information, license and author. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Webs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Webysther >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Webysther Nunes* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The logo used on the website is available in SVG format: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://php.net/images/logos/php-logo.svg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I am not entirely sure on the license for it. While I authored >>>>>>> that SVG I really only took what was on the website and turned it >>>>>>> into >>>>>>> SVG, so I'm not sure who the "creative mind" is or what >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> licensing/copyright restrictions are. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> *Webysther Nunes* >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Webysther Nunes >> >> -- >> Webysther Nunes