Re: [PHP4BETA] Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 4.0.0Release packaged

> >Well, what's wrong with your website? I _still_ havn't gotten a good download > >of metabase because the damn thing won't resend my password, (which I didn't > >get to choose, which screwed up my login). I can't read the metabase > Passwords are sent automatically by e-mail. Has it crossed your mind that > your server may be bouncing messages to you sent by my site? Yup. If your messages are poorly formed, it may set off spam filters.... > Since I can't get through to you over, I hope the list excuse me for using > this message to inform that there is a recent account with your name and > address that says that your password is the one that was sent in the > e-mail. ARGGH! I never got a good password to check this with! :-) > There is another older account with a name similar to yours that says that > the password was reset by the system on 2000-05-19. Either way, if you > didn't get a password, it's certainly an e-mail problem that transcends the > best of my efforts. Shall I just keep re-registering? Is your site SPAM filtered on any of the blacklists? > >documentation because your website is so screwed up that the documentation > >can't be found without your broken user/pass being fixed. I can't get > That's not broken, that's meant to be for justified reasons. > >reliable information, I can't get a decent download, I send you the > >information to get it fixed, and YOU IGNORED IT. Why can't you act like the > I don't recall having received any message in those terms. When have you > sent it? About three weeks ago, I think. > I never denied support. You are jumping to conclusions without > investigating exactly what may be failing. Conclusions, yup. Not neccesarrily the right ones. > I even try ask those people to show what they feel in > public, but I understand that they just don't feel like being beat up as > well like I am having to put up. Well, you see mine. :-) > >Well, you've had _mine_... you write a lot, and different people support > >different things. I want a unified database abstraction layer, but I think > >the idea of making PHP more like closed source is totally wrong. Closed > Never meant it that way. Well, quality standards more like closed source? Many quality standards cause problems in software projects. They make the product later, less performant, more marginalized. > > open source usually has worse manuals, The manuals only document the known good code. Which often isn't as much as the program can do.... > > worse documentation, "Approved" documentation forgets to mention bugs. :-) > > than open source. It > >takes longer to get bug fixes, because they are tied up in Quality > >Assurance for two months, not two weeks.... This is obvious. Here are some other problems to consider: Freezing code means that bugs are not fixed, but _frozen_. Most final releases ship with frozen bugs for this reason, it's too late to unfreeze, change, and start up the freeze periods again. > >in your criticisms, you often > >bring out support from different people, depending on their concerns. > So, you feel I am wrong proposing measures to assure better software > quality in PHP? I think that quality measures can make a product better, and also worse. it takes careful thinking and planning to make it better, it takes arguments, and disagreements, to come to a good solution to make a product better and still let it ship. > >> >everybody here respects the endless, unpaid hours of work that were put > >> >into PHP and into php.net > >Go team, go! > There it is the noisy crowd cheering for Golias! :-) I cheer for Goliath _and_ David. I would say you are a Goliath... the PHP team knows you, and you're certainly not meek and quiet like David. :-) > >It has to be constructive. What was constuctive in what I said? > >a) Don't force registration on your website. > If only you knew that is one vital thing that lead to the site success. > Let me explain, people subscribe to be able to download. All downloads are > accounted rigourously. With those figures I can compute top charts that > are displayed in the site. You can do this *without* requiring a username and password to be mailed. > Conclusion, since I added the top charts page the number uploaded classes > boosted. Without requiring people to register it would be possible to > compute accurate and credible charts. But less people will download. You said yourself that you are getting mail bounces. Do you read why they are bouncing? > >> In > >> the real world people are paid to judge and criticise. Many of those are > >> called consultants. I guess I get some hostile feedback to my criticisms > >> because I am not charging for it. Maybe I should. :-) > >You should. It pays well.... > Believe me that I tried. I worked for ISP that develops web sites for > clients. They use ASP because that's all that they know. They fear that they > may get lost in the change. They know ASP/MSSQL/IIS/NT works for them. They > don't know that for PHP. PHP is not advertised in the real world. I have one client who _refuses_ to use ASP, because PHP is what they know. It's not about PHP, or ASP, it's about people fearing changes. > Take a look at Web development magazines and you see that the difference > articles on ASP are more or less about 10 to 1 on PHP. Yes, it takes as much as ten times the work. :-) > The low presence of > PHP in the media that many Web development companies use to get informed > make them believe that ASP is what everybody is using. Very true. So shout it from the mountaintops! Don't mask your pages in .html, proudly display .php, .php3, .phpeatsASPforbreakfast! > They only know > what they see in the media. It's pointless to laugh at their ignorance > because this lack of media recognition affects all of us big time. So we have to make it. > To summarize, I tried to be helpful and bring up this feedback from the > real world. It's a shame how some people don't bother to stop and try to > understand what I am saying instead of just killing the messanger! :-( It's not just the messenger, Manuel, it's how the messenger is delivering the message. -Bop