RE: [PHP-DEV] Linux Today Article

Very nice non-PC statement! :) Zeev At 02:20 16-08-01, Blake Schwendiman wrote:

Just my opinion, but right now (meaning this year, maybe a little longer) I feel that PHP is more than adequate for developing small, medium and large sites. I work on both sides of the fence. My day job has been developing portions of large web sites using ASP/COM/COM+ and the evolution of these tools which is the frame of the .NET product/service. For my personal and more interesting work, I prefer PHP by far. I feel that there is a mass of hype surrounding new development paradigms, but we are far from declaring one technology a winner. ASP is provided by a company with a great deal of resources and an interest in providing tools to its customers. I don't have a problem with that, but right now I don't think many of the customers really know what they want. With no offense intended toward many working hard on and with XML, I say XML hasn't proved its worth in very many places. I personally don't know anyone who is using XML for anything and very few who have plans to use it. So why should I get worried about whether a language currently supports one of its extensions. Am I using it? Are my customers using it? Really? The ASP model has some wonderful features. Components can be great, but too much componentization can be a nightmare. In my personal experience an enterprise component architecture is a double-edged sword. It's great to be able to plug in well-built components and use them, but the downside is that component writers disappear, companies go out of business, support can be difficult to obtain and so on. I've rambled a bit, but my feeling is that the Linux Today Article is premature. PHP can (and likely will) support the features mentioned in the article, but the real question is, are these really the features that are going to be used? Will I be developing web applications with these features in 1 year, 3 years or 5 five years? Is PHP or ASP (.NET) providing me with the real tools I need to develop web applications today? For me, both tools provide what I need today, but I like PHP better. Blake -----Original Message----- From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:sb@sebastian-bergmann.de] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:30 PM To: php-dev mailinglist Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Linux Today Article Edin Kadribasic wrote: Where is the PHP enterprise component architecture? What exactly would that be? What about clustering and failover? This has nothing to do with the language, IMHO, but with the platform, ie. the web server. I guess there are solutions to provide clustering and fail-over to Apache and MySQL, for instance. Where are the WSDL and UDDI implementations? What are WSDL and UDDI? Are there libraries out there can be wrapped into an extension? Show me a framework. Horde is a framework, and I guess there are some more out there. But I fear that there is truth in this. We should analyze what, besides the upcoming changes on the language level (with the Zend Engine 2.0), we need to make PHP compatible with ASP.NET. Maybe Zend has some feedback from their enterprise clients on what features are requested, etc. --

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