Re: The PHP Platform

I know this is going nowhere :) but anyway - its late here and I've got a few secs to kill.... Ask your boss, how often has he done a project using microsoft tools, and its been seriously delayed because they found a serious bug in the microsoft tools, that had to be worked around.- if he answers never i would be amazed ! Delayed = late delivery = unsatified customer = bad reputation = no more contracts! The difference with PHP (and perl,pike,python, ruby......etc), is that when there is a problem, your project is not delayed, you have full access to the source, you can find the problem, fix it and carry on with minimal delays.. - no workaround. - no code thats going to break on the next MS update! This is the core to the reason behind why all of these languages are better than c#/java - you are empowered to solve your own problems, rather than relying on 3 levels of technical support and promises that it will be fixed and wont break your code..... the logic is in the philosophy not the marketing = no seminar is ever going to solve this problem :) anyway - just one angle to try best regards alan Dave Mertens wrote:

On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:27:06AM -0700, brad lafountain wrote:

And next week i have a special C# traning for PHP developers. Offered free by Microsoft.

alls i have to say is WOW. This is one pathetic attempt by Microsoft.

Yeah, but are there any professional tranings for PHP? Do you hear of PHP? That's the problem i'm facing. I think PHP is great, i really am. But the fact the PHP don't have a proper XML parser, only a scripting SOAP parser makes it for my boss easy to choose for ASP/Java in stead of PHP. And what can i do about it, absolutely nothing! I don't have the knowledge to make PHP itself better. That why i submit as much as i can (and allowed) to PEAR. Hoping that it will end as a set of foundation classes. But now, all new projects are done with ASP. And why? Because Microsoft has a damn good marketing machine. They even have now commercials for .NET! And about the training. Microsoft knows that PHP is getting behind and they are saying that .NET can do almost everything what PHP can and more. I can only say that i hope ZE2 will change this. But i have a hard time on my work defending PHP. Yeah. When a company becomes a Microsoft Partner you get a lot of MS licenses for free! Buy MSDN Universal and you get more programs for Free. And the company i work for is a gold partner. We have 100 free licenses for XP! Why use linux?? 2 years ago PHP was leading egde. I hope that the ZE2 engine makes it a leading language again. Dave Mertens