RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 / LICENSE

I agree for things like phpMyAdmin and phpBugTracker. Looking at hotscrips.com you find each other app releases as PHP* (my)? something. But, what I personally wanted to know - are the PHP related websites violating any naming rules (legally or morally)? What would be the case? I am talking of sites like mine PHP Beginner, but also PHP Classes, PHP Complete, PHP Builder etc... I always wondered that, but never found it wrong. In my opinion this helps the visitor individuate the site's orientation. With software it is different - phpMyAdmin has nothing to do with PHP - it administrates MySQL and names so only after the language used. Maxim Maletsky > -----Original Message----- > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmus@php.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 1:29 AM > To: Sebastian Bergmann > Cc: php-dev@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 / LICENSE > > I think this has been clarified enough times, don't you think? > > We clearly do not have any say over what people who do not use our code > call their work. "PHP" is not trademarked as a global trademark costs a > hell of a lot of money and as such people can basically do whatever they > want if they are not using our code. > > However, if they are using our code, as in taking PHP code, under the PHP > license and modifying it, adding to it, etc, then they can not call this > product PHP. For the very simple reason that we don't want someone to > suddenly release PHP 5.0 or PHP Enterprise or any such crap that is just > going to confuse the hell out of everyone. It is exactly the same > restriction you see with Apache and why the various Apache variants out > there are not called Apache. People should establish their own brand. > > If there is PHP licensed code in phpMyAdmin or PHP OpenTracker, then yes, > they are forms of derived software. If they are simply written in PHP, > then obviously not. Why is this so hard to understand? > > My personal preference is that people don't put "PHP" in the names of even > non-derived stuff because I think it also adds to the confusion, and at a > more basic level I don't think the implementation language should be part > of a package name. Why aren't these things simply called OpenTracker and > MyAdmin? What is the reason fot tacking PHP onto these names? You don't > see stuff like, C Linux, C++ Gnome, C++ KDE, Perl Majordomo, Python > Mailman, etc. > > -Rasmus > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > > > derick@php.net wrote: > > > Are phpMyAdmin and PHP OpenTracker forms of derived software? > > > > I'd like to know that, too ;) > > > > -- > > Sebastian Bergmann > > http://sebastian-bergmann.de/ > http://phpOpenTracker.de/ > > > > Did I help you? Consider a gift: > > http://wishlist.sebastian- > bergmann.de/ > > > > -- > > PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > -- > PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php