developing with php

Nothing happened to my idea (with was agreed by some others) to have developers list send an initial email to new users that clearyfies the difference between developer list and user list, which then can be used to get access to either one upone reply. I now have another easier idea. We have the following headings on the mailing lists webpage: General mailing lists for PHP users - Announcements of new PHP releases are sent to this very low-volume list and Lists for the developers of PHP and the Zend Engine - A medium volume list for those who want to help out with the development of PHP this really is not clear! Why not use an additional heading PHP developers list - A list for developers using and programming with PHP direct above the heading of the other developers lists? marcus