RE: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?

Salam to all, Brother S. AlSaffar, as I spent some time in looking for a project management system written in PHP, I found dotproject to be the best. Do you think it's enough for us to have a similar management system without having to build a new one ourselves. I am eager to know if anyone is against this. PLEASE ALL WHO READ THIS, don't keep silent. Everyone is able theoritically to finish the project by himself. And everyone for sure has a high skills in programming. Everyone also has a family, a job, and many ... many other things to do. But the idea is not about building a site and that's it. It is a continuous project. If anyone left the project, which is something expected, the project should go on. ================ === dotProject ==== (APPLICATION) http://downloads.sourceforge.net/dotproject/dotproject_2_1.zip?modtime=1192371291&big_mirror=0 (ARABIC interface) http://dotproject.net/index.php?name=CmodsDownload&file=index&req=getit&lid=88 ================ I have included the above links just for anyone wants to try this application. It doesn't mean that there is a decision that we're going to use it. In fact, who has the right to state that we should do a certain thing. What do you think? > From: saleh_rambo@hotmail.com> To: doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:39:45 > +0000> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?> > > Salam Alykum,> > I agree, > we should plan and set a way to distribute the load to all of us. We need some kind of online system > and project management to automate this process. As soon we set the system, if available, we can > start ask people to join us. I'll search for such system or any system that can benefit us on > our project. If anyone knows any please let us know. > > I also agree that most of us are busy > with our daily work. We all work for living and we have stuff to do in life. But if we manage to > setup a good team we can do something. > > What is the story behind php4arab.org and > php4arab.info? Nothing changed of it for ages. Does anyone on this list own these sites?> > > Thanks to Salah, I'll remind you guys of the Documentation HOWTO URL: > http://doc.php.net/php/dochowto/index.php> > Sincerely,> > Saleh> > > ----------------------------------------> From: ma1420@hotmail.com> To: > doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:08:01 +0300> Subject: FW: [DOC-AR] Status of > translation?>>>>> Dear Salah and all, I, from my side, invite everyone on the list > including myself to start reading about how the phpdoc is made and what the translators need to know > to be able to work on the arabic translation. For sure there is a blame on all of us, and if there > was a failure, then it would be a failure for all of us, as Jadi said. But anyway, it was an > unsuccessful or incomplete try, and there could be some lessons we have learnt from it. I don't > have a rich experience, but I'll share some lessons I've learnt from some other personal > experiences, - Don't feel passive about others, especially those on a team.- Give way for ideas > to mature.- Don't start doing things immediately without first planning what you're going > to do.- When you plan well, you implement well. I think we should be aware that this a project, and > it needs to be dealt with as a project, more precisely, as an open-source project. There are well > designed ways of managing projects, and we need to have some of those skills. I hope we come to a > point of agreement on the importance of discussing ideas before putting them to the field of > implementation. Everyone of us is capable of doing marvelous results if the job is about translating > a one-page manual, but the idea is how to distribute the load, how to make a load-balancing and > achieve the goal in a shorter time, how to make it possible that the translation project continues > without being affected or stopped by the loss of anyone of us, how to make it possible that we get > the ideas of each one of us and those who cannot do the job but can contribute successful ideas. Is > it true that 300 million arab people can't work together to do something good for themselves? I > wrote all of the above as a way of thinking in a loud voice. To all of the people reading this, > PLEASE SAY SOMETHING about ... about ... about anything. What are the things that should be > considered in this project. Be frank as far as you really want this project to succeed. I know > you're busy, I am busy as much as you. WHO WANTS THIS PROJECT TO START????>>> From: > visualmind@hotmail.com> To: ma1420@hotmail.com; doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 > 22:01:49 +0300> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>> Dear Abu Mosaab,>> In > my opinion the project didn't die or fail; it's been choking and still is because of many > factors.> I wasn't blaming any one and I'm not steping aside of the responsibility. > Regardless of me being busy; I will still do my best for this project and won't give up But I > beleive that the only way to overcome the problems we face in this project is by unifing efforts; > One hand can't clap and so one person (or in our case even two and three) can't bring the > project to success.>> I was inviting the guys to start working on any thing available to keep > the project and my plan is to have more than 15 person sincerely involved in the process. I welcome > any suggesstions and efforts but to be honest a lot of the efforts made in the early stages of this > project gone with the wind because they were lone and didn't find enough volunteers to keep the > flame burining.>> You have suggested to build a good automated system; that's a great > suggesstion so let's take the opportunity to invite everyone on the list to join us with > this.>> I also invite everyone to read > http://doc.php.net/php/dochowto/ before thinking to work with us, > and put in mind that you don't need a CVS account and you don't need to perform the > requested operations in the document, all you need is to understand the mechanism of the phpdoc and > if there're any questions I'll do my best to clarify.>> If any one want to take a > look or get a copy of the PHP Manual source files without CVS access, please go to > http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/phpdoc/>> Regards,> Salah > Faya>>>>>> From: ma1420@hotmail.com> To: doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Tue, 23 > Oct 2007 20:11:47 +0300> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>> I'm going to > answer you brother Salah. You have been the head of the translation project ever since as far as I > know. You made the initiative and you deserved to be that guy. I think you did an very good job. But > the project has failed. I think you must be having a very good answers related to WHY this big > project has failed.>> What I think is that although the first project has failed, it must have > taught us good lessons concerning how not to fall down again. Why should anyone else take the > responsibility of the project? I'm not against this, I'm just raising the question trying > to see why. Are the reasons problem-centered or people-centered ones. Are you busy in your own job?. > Of course you are and you should be. I'm busy and other members must be busy, too. That > shouldn't be a reason nor should it make us fail.>> The solution to reviving the project > in my humble opinion is to MAKE A GOOD AUTOMATED SYSTEM for the project. There are many challenges > to this project like the difficulty of translating or arabizing some terminology, style and wording > issues, what to translate in the manual and what not to. There are also some technical matters like > how to use the automated system of PHP.NET. But whatever challenges there are, it does not mean we > cannot build a system that eventually get the manual translated in Arabic. The biggest challenge is > how to build this GOOD AUTOMATED SYSTEM. As soon as such a system has been completed it should > continue to be an effective managing tool for the continuous translation process.>> > AbuMosaab>>>>>>> From: visualmind@hotmail.com> To: doc-ar@lists.php.net> > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:41:02 +0300> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>> Would > any one take the responsibility to try reviving the translation?> Any effort even if small will > really matter and may encourage the other guys to do the same and get involved.>>>> > From: ma1420@hotmail.com> To: doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:45:18 +0300> > Subject: FW: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>>>>> Yes, it's dead. but the team > is sleeping :)>>> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:13:18 +0300> From: Jad@php.net> To: > doc-ar@lists.php.net> Subject: Re: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>> No, we are not > working, this list is dead and the team is also dead.>> On 17/10/2007, Saleh Al-Saffar > wrote:>>>> Hello guys>>>> What's the status of the translation? are you > guys still working on the translation?>>>> Sincerely,>> Saleh>> > _________________________________________________________________>> احصل على Windows > Live Messenger الجديد!>> > http://get.live.com/messenger/overview> > _________________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly > with MSN Messenger! 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