FW: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?

Salam, Good point Brother Saleh. I tried the CVS system you mentioned but I still don't understand it very much as well. Mot important, it appears to be too slow. I wish Salah would give an idea about that system. As I was browsing through Fedora website, I found this link http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-windows/ to be probably useful in our case. > From: saleh_rambo@hotmail.com> To: ma1420@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of > translation?> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:51:02 +0000> > > Salam Alykum,> > Thank you > Abu Musaab for that. I tried that system using the online demo and might be good. But the question, > is it integratable to the CVS system currently on php.net? I still don't know the mechanisem on > how the translating works. The documentation is not enough without trying to do the translating > atleast once to get familiar with the mechanisem.> > I have spent sometime on checking the > current system many phpdoc groups are using. It is "Revision Check" and currently hosted > on doc.php.net website. The system seems good and easy to use. Using this system is our best bet > because it already have a documentation on how to translate and many other groups are using it.> > > Try the Revision Check and let me know what you think about it Abu Musaab and the rest of you. > I see that Mr. Salah and few others already tried that system. Please tell us about your experience > on using it.> > Here is the URL for Arabic team of Revision Check:> > http://doc.php.net/php/ar/revcheck.php> > Where are the rest > of people on the list? Why are not they responding?> > Sincerely,> Saleh> > > ----------------------------------------> From: ma1420@hotmail.com> To: > doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 02:08:05 +0300> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of > translation?>>>> Salam to all,>> Brother S. AlSaffar, as I spent some time in > looking for a project management system written in PHP, I found dotproject to be the best. Do you > think it's enough for us to have a similar management system without having to build a new one > ourselves. I am eager to know if anyone is against this.>> PLEASE ALL WHO READ THIS, > don't keep silent. Everyone is able theoritically to finish the project by himself. And > everyone for sure has a high skills in programming. Everyone also has a family, a job, and many ... > many other things to do. But the idea is not about building a site and that's it. It is a > continuous project. If anyone left the project, which is something expected, the project should go > on.>> ================> === dotProject ====> (APPLICATION) > http://downloads.sourceforge.net/dotproject/dotproject_2_1.zip?modtime=1192371291&big_mirror=0> > (ARABIC interface) > http://dotproject.net/index.php?name=CmodsDownload&file=index&req=getit&lid=88 > ��������1�_�> ================>> I have included the above links just for anyone wants to > try this application. It doesn't mean that there is a decision that we're going to use it. > In fact, who has the right to state that we should do a certain thing. What do you > think?>>> From: saleh_rambo@hotmail.com> To: doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Sun, 28 Oct > 2007 12:39:45 +0000> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>>> Salam > Alykum,>> I agree, we should plan and set a way to distribute the load to all of us. We need > some kind of online system and project management to automate this process. As soon we set the > system, if available, we can start ask people to join us. I'll search for such system or any > system that can benefit us on our project. If anyone knows any please let us know.>> I also > agree that most of us are busy with our daily work. We all work for living and we have stuff to do > in life. But if we manage to setup a good team we can do something.>> What is the story behind > php4arab.org and php4arab.info? Nothing changed of it for ages. Does anyone on this list own these > sites?>> Thanks to Salah, I'll remind you guys of the Documentation HOWTO URL: > http://doc.php.net/php/dochowto/index.php>> Sincerely,> > Saleh>>> ----------------------------------------> From: ma1420@hotmail.com> To: > doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:08:01 +0300> Subject: FW: [DOC-AR] Status of > translation?>>>>> Dear Salah and all, I, from my side, invite everyone on the list > including myself to start reading about how the phpdoc is made and what the translators need to know > to be able to work on the arabic translation. For sure there is a blame on all of us, and if there > was a failure, then it would be a failure for all of us, as Jadi said. But anyway, it was an > unsuccessful or incomplete try, and there could be some lessons we have learnt from it. I don't > have a rich experience, but I'll share some lessons I've learnt from some other personal > experiences, - Don't feel passive about others, especially those on a team.- Give way for ideas > to mature.- Don't start doing things immediately without first planning what you're going > to do.- When you plan well, you implement well. I think we should be aware that this a project, and > it needs to be dealt with as a project, more precisely, as an open-source project. There are well > designed ways of managing projects, and we need to have some of those skills. I hope we come to a > point of agreement on the importance of discussing ideas before putting them to the field of > implementation. Everyone of us is capable of doing marvelous results if the job is about translating > a one-page manual, but the idea is how to distribute the load, how to make a load-balancing and > achieve the goal in a shorter time, how to make it possible that the translation project continues > without being affected or stopped by the loss of anyone of us, how to make it possible that we get > the ideas of each one of us and those who cannot do the job but can contribute successful ideas. Is > it true that 300 million arab people can't work together to do something good for themselves? I > wrote all of the above as a way of thinking in a loud voice. To all of the people reading this, > PLEASE SAY SOMETHING about ... about ... about anything. What are the things that should be > considered in this project. Be frank as far as you really want this project to succeed. I know > you're busy, I am busy as much as you. WHO WANTS THIS PROJECT TO START????>>> From: > visualmind@hotmail.com> To: ma1420@hotmail.com; doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 > 22:01:49 +0300> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>> Dear Abu Mosaab,>> In > my opinion the project didn't die or fail; it's been choking and still is because of many > factors.> I wasn't blaming any one and I'm not steping aside of the responsibility. > Regardless of me being busy; I will still do my best for this project and won't give up But I > beleive that the only way to overcome the problems we face in this project is by unifing efforts; > One hand can't clap and so one person (or in our case even two and three) can't bring the > project to success.>> I was inviting the guys to start working on any thing available to keep > the project and my plan is to have more than 15 person sincerely involved in the process. I welcome > any suggesstions and efforts but to be honest a lot of the efforts made in the early stages of this > project gone with the wind because they were lone and didn't find enough volunteers to keep the > flame burining.>> You have suggested to build a good automated system; that's a great > suggesstion so let's take the opportunity to invite everyone on the list to join us with > this.>> I also invite everyone to read > http://doc.php.net/php/dochowto/ before thinking to work with us, > and put in mind that you don't need a CVS account and you don't need to perform the > requested operations in the document, all you need is to understand the mechanism of the phpdoc and > if there're any questions I'll do my best to clarify.>> If any one want to take a > look or get a copy of the PHP Manual source files without CVS access, please go to >http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/phpdoc/>> Regards,> Salah > Faya>>>>>> From: ma1420@hotmail.com> To: doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Tue, 23 > Oct 2007 20:11:47 +0300> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>> I'm going to > answer you brother Salah. You have been the head of the translation project ever since as far as I > know. You made the initiative and you deserved to be that guy. I think you did an very good job. But > the project has failed. I think you must be having a very good answers related to WHY this big > project has failed.>> What I think is that although the first project has failed, it must have > taught us good lessons concerning how not to fall down again. Why should anyone else take the > responsibility of the project? I'm not against this, I'm just raising the question trying > to see why. Are the reasons problem-centered or people-centered ones. Are you busy in your own job?. > Of course you are and you should be. I'm busy and other members must be busy, too. That > shouldn't be a reason nor should it make us fail.>> The solution to reviving the project > in my humble opinion is to MAKE A GOOD AUTOMATED SYSTEM for the project. There are many challenges > to this project like the difficulty of translating or arabizing some terminology, style and wording > issues, what to translate in the manual and what not to. There are also some technical matters like > how to use the automated system of PHP.NET. But whatever challenges there are, it does not mean we > cannot build a system that eventually get the manual translated in Arabic. The biggest challenge is > how to build this GOOD AUTOMATED SYSTEM. As soon as such a system has been completed it should > continue to be an effective managing tool for the continuous translation process.>> > AbuMosaab>>>>>>> From: visualmind@hotmail.com> To: doc-ar@lists.php.net> > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:41:02 +0300> Subject: RE: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>> Would > any one take the responsibility to try reviving the translation?> Any effort even if small will > really matter and may encourage the other guys to do the same and get involved.>>>> > From: ma1420@hotmail.com> To: doc-ar@lists.php.net> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:45:18 +0300> > Subject: FW: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>>>>> Yes, it's dead. but the team > is sleeping :)>>> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:13:18 +0300> From: Jad@php.net> To: > doc-ar@lists.php.net> Subject: Re: [DOC-AR] Status of translation?>> No, we are not > working, this list is dead and the team is also dead.>> On 17/10/2007, Saleh Al-Saffar > wrote:>>>> Hello guys>>>> What's the status of the translation? are you > guys still working on the translation?>>>> Sincerely,>> Saleh>> > _________________________________________________________________>> احصل على Windows > Live Messenger الجديد!>> > http://get.live.com/messenger/overview> > _________________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly > with MSN Messenger! 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